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[Meadmaker]

Wokeness is a propaganda creation almost entirely manufactured by the right wing sphere.

It took me a while to figure out a response, because I've seen it said before. People on the left say it doesn't really exist, but people on the right talk about it constantly, and when they do, they describe Democratic and/or lefrist actions or policy positions.

Those actions and policy positions are real things.

So, the term "woke" and all of its derivatives is a right wing invention. No doubt about it. It's a term that mocks left wing positions and policies, but those positions and policies are very real.

The term itself mocks left wingers by observing an air of superiority among people who hold positions that tear down traditional opinions.

So, the traditional view of when the United States of America was founded might say it was founded in 1776, but along comes a woke person proclaiming with an air of superiority that they will educate our young that the US was really founded in 1619.

A traditionalist might say that William Shakespeare is worthy of study, but a woke professor will claim with an air of superiority that Shakespeare was racist (Othello), anti-Semitic (Merchant of Venice) and sexist (most of his other plays), and that we should study others instead.

A traditionalist might encourage education in subjects like math, and encourage standards in education to encourage achievement and learning, but a woke educator will come along and declare that testing is racist.

And, the final straw, a traditionalist might declare that there are two sexes in the world, and you can tell which one someone is by looking at them naked, a woke person will explain that's terribly naive, and its just a social construct and that in this modern world we have learned that people can be anything they want to be, and that men can have babies, too.

And as all of those things come up, people scratch their heads and say, "You're serious?" By the time it gets to that last one,though, they say, "Oh, Jesus Christ what the hell is wrong with you?" And woke journalists call it hate speech.

It's a thing. And because Democrats didn't take it seriously enough, Donald Trump is President-elect.

[President Bush]

Sure thing, whatever you say, Mr DeSantis.

[Admin]

Sure thing, whatever you say, Mr DeSantis.

I think you're avoiding the issue because it doesn't suit you. I don't like it either, but we do have a pretty useful tool in determining whether it's actually a problem - exit polls.

Axios seems to be doing a pretty good job of analysing the reasons why, and here's another piece from today:

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/11/harris ... y-liberals

I'm not surprised that the Rogan-bros voted en masse for Trump, but the highest percentage of black voters in half a century and the highest-ever percentage of Latinos? The fact that Latinos are concerned with the border is ironic, but factual.

You and I probably see DEI as making things a little bit right in a sick fucking world, but it's a cornerstone of wokeness and a lot of people don't like it. Does that make them racist? Probably, but they vote, and when you have a 2-party split where only 10% of voters decide the government, you don't need too many of them voting for the orange shitbag to win. And he hasn't just won - he's wept the fucking board: POTUS, Senate and House.

It amuses the fuck out of me that people would actually vote based on such idiotic premises, but that's our species for you.

The clear and overwhelming reason to vote should be the climate - it makes all other issues pale into insignificance, but people don't give a shit.

[President Bush]

On March 25, 1931, in Chattanooga, Tennessee, two white women, Victoria Price and Ruby Bates, falsely accused a group of several Black young men of rape.

Based on their words, the nine Black men – ages 12 to 19 years old – were immediately arrested and in less than two weeks, all were tried, convicted, and with one exception, sentenced to death.

All the cases were appealed and eventually reached the U.S. Supreme Court. In its 1932 Powell v. Alabama decision, the court overturned the verdicts in part because prosecutors excluded potential Black jurors from serving during the trial. But instead of freedom, the cases were retried – and each of the “Scottsboro Boys” was found guilty again.

There were four more trials, seven retrials and, in 1935, two landmark Supreme Court decisions – one requiring that defendants be tried by juries of their peers and the other requiring that indigent defendants receive competent counsel.

The nine young men spent a combined total of 130 years in prison. The last was released in 1950. By 2013, all were exonerated.

Over the years, the memory of the Scottsboro Boys has remained a part of Black consciousness and of staying woke. During the height of the Civil Rights Movement, Martin Luther King Jr. used a version of woke during his commencement address at Oberlin College in 1965.

“The great challenge facing every individual graduating today is to remain awake through this social revolution,” he said.

https://theconversation.com/back-in-the ... art-215635

Lead Belly helped popularize the word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrXfkPViFIE&t=1s

Meadmaker is doing his part to normalize a strawmanned version of the word nearly the opposite of the original meaning of the word. All done in the interest of political propaganda, in an appeal to a certain minority of voters. That some voters have been successfully manipulated into actually believing the political propaganda doesn´t make it real.

About the only thing that is real is the fact they believe the propaganda. At that point it would make more sense to address that, if they have an issue with trans, well, why not just call it that? Acting as though false belief is real merely because somebody believes it, well, maybe Jesus can help you with that.

There is another certain minority of voters to whom the actual original meaning of the word woke remains significant. The Democrats ought to ignore that, the word´s historically charged origin and what woke means in that context?

That group votes, too. Really stupid idea.

[Meadmaker]

Meadmaker is doing his part to normalize a strawmanned version of the word nearly the opposite of the original meaning of the word. All done in the interest of political propaganda, in an appeal to a certain minority of voters. That some voters have been successfully manipulated into actually believing the political propaganda doesn´t make it real.

About the only thing that is real is the fact they believe the propaganda. At that point it would make more sense to address that, if they have an issue with trans, well, why not just call it that? Acting as though false belief is real merely because somebody believes it, well, maybe Jesus can help you with that.

There is another certain minority of voters to whom the actual original meaning of the word woke remains significant. The Democrats ought to ignore that, the word´s historically charged origin and what woke means in that context?

That group votes, too. Really stupid idea.

Is there a term that would be better? It sort of took over from "politically correct". We could start using that term again.

Either way, there are plenty of real things going on. It's not propoganda. It's really happening, and people really don't like it. Put "woke" in as a search term on youtube and see what comes up. There will be plenty of real examples.

And, in the last week, an awful lot of them will be on the theme of "Woke College Student Breaks Down When She Learns That Trump Won the Election".


Just for my personal perspective, I mostly take the "right wing" side on such issues, but it's not important enough to me to affect my vote.

But it still rubs me the wrong way that I can't dance to "Cotton Eyed Joe" at my robotics competitions anymore. The song was forbiddent a couple of years ago.

[Admin]

Break it all down to the lowest common denominator: hate sells, love doesn't.

[President Bush]

Meadmaker is doing his part to normalize a strawmanned version of the word nearly the opposite of the original meaning of the word. All done in the interest of political propaganda, in an appeal to a certain minority of voters. That some voters have been successfully manipulated into actually believing the political propaganda doesn´t make it real.

About the only thing that is real is the fact they believe the propaganda. At that point it would make more sense to address that, if they have an issue with trans, well, why not just call it that? Acting as though false belief is real merely because somebody believes it, well, maybe Jesus can help you with that.

There is another certain minority of voters to whom the actual original meaning of the word woke remains significant. The Democrats ought to ignore that, the word´s historically charged origin and what woke means in that context?

That group votes, too. Really stupid idea.

Is there a term that would be better? It sort of took over from "politically correct". We could start using that term again.

Either way, there are plenty of real things going on. It's not propoganda. It's really happening, and people really don't like it. Put "woke" in as a search term on youtube and see what comes up. There will be plenty of real examples.

I googled it, didn´t see plenty of real examples.

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=7 ... 3&dpr=1.25

The propaganda technique employed by the right wing here involves throwing many threats into the same hat: that you are in danger of having your child come home from school a different sex, defunding the police, that immigrant over there wants to rob you, women might see a penis in the public bathroom, white men are unfairly loosing job opporunities because of DEI, the woke aggressively promote sexual behavior and lifestyles through celebrations, the military is being emasculated, social justice means socialism, investment strategies involving environmental, social and governance issues are anti-American, Haitian immigrants are eating our pets, language is being redefined for political purposes (thatś a funny one since that´s exactly what the bastards are doing with woke).

I proably missed a couple. That they all add up to being ¨woke" and that Democrats care more about being ¨woke¨ than caring about the working person. Does that explain why Harris got about ten million votes fewer than Biden did in 2020 (while Trump got virtually the same number as he did in 2020)?

A bunch of Democrats didn´t show up to vote. That the right-wing propagada agenda against woke was accepted and believed by some doesn´t mean the propaganda should be accepted as legitimate so that Democrats can win the next one. Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me.

The candidates involved could have made efforts to effectively combat this propaganda, instead they pretty much sat on their hands when it came to countering these false perceptions. Thatś why they lost.

Either way, there are plenty of real things going on. It's not propoganda. It's really happening, and people really don't like it. Put "woke" in as a search term on youtube and see what comes up. There will be plenty of real examples.

Like I said before I didn´t see any. But if you think finding something referred to on google makes it real, try a search for flying saucers, the flat earth, or Jesus the Savior.

[Meadmaker]

I proably missed a couple. That they all add up to being ¨woke" and that Democrats care more about being ¨woke¨ than caring about the working person. Does that explain why Harris got about ten million votes fewer than Biden did in 2020 (while Trump got virtually the same number as he did in 2020)?

I think it was a major factor.

I can't prove that. It's a bit like an old anecdote about some businessman. I think it was Gillette, the razor guy. He said, "Half of the money I spend on advertising is completely wasted. The problem is I don't know which half."

Similarly with Donald Trump and the rest of the GOP. Did their anti-woke, and more specifically anti-transgender, ads work? Were swing voters turned off? I can't prove it, but I know that the GOP thinks it worked, and I think they're right.

The reason why it was a bigger factor in 2024 than in 2020 is simply more public perception of the issues. Trump needs to send thank you cards to Dylan Mulvaney and Lia Thomas.

The candidates involved could have made efforts to effectively combat this propaganda, instead they pretty much sat on their hands when it came to countering these false perceptions. Thatś why they lost.

I would certainly agree that they couldn't, or didn't counter the perceptions, and that is why they lost, or was at least a major factor.

Like I said before I didn´t see any. But if you think finding something referred to on google makes it real, try a search for flying saucers, the flat earth, or Jesus the Savior.

Good point.

In my opinion, the various "woke" subject, and especially transgender issues, had an outsized effect on the election. They just don't affect our lives all that much and I think it's unfortunate that so many people were willing to look the other way on Trump's many flaws because they're all bent out of shape about.....women's college volleyball? Really?

Nevertheless, I think it happened, and the story about volleyball isn't fake. It's a real story.

[grayman]

[sparks]

Indeed.

Back when I was reasonably healthy and still running (5k three times a week) There was a coastal path to the Oregon beach south of Newport that had a rather invigorating section from the top of the cliffs where all the rental housing was down to the beach itself.

It was called the 'psychopath'.