Day by day, however, the machines are gaining ground upon us; day by day we are becoming more subservient to them. The upshot is simply a question of time, but that the time will come when the machines will hold the real supremacy over the world and its inhabitants is what no person of a truly philosophic mind can for a moment question.
Today I had a conversation with chatGPT about salsa. It made some very good suggestions. I was trying to get some advice on how to imitate the recipe that an old friend made. It was unique, and she kept the recipe secret. I knew some of the ingredients. The recipes I ended up with look pretty yummy, and it even suggested a name.
I've had previous conversations about how to find the coordinates of a line on the ground given an image in a camera at a known position. After asking it to generate some code, I saw, and pointed out, a flaw in the provided solution. It corrected that flaw, but the new solution had a different flaw, which I pointed out. The code that it produced on the third try appeared correct. (I haven't tested it in the real world, but the simulations gave good results.)
These "conversations" really did feel like talking to a human. I was amazed and frightened. There has grown up some debate among academics whether large language models are displaying "real" intelligence. Obviously, chatGPT, and its friends, are not exactly like humans. They associate words that they have seen before. But they generate novel solutions in some cases, even if those solutions incorporate elements from other things that are already exsistent. There are people who say that, when all is said and done, that really is all there is to intelligence. Is it possible that we have achieved real intelligence, and all we have to do is figure out how to train it in different stimuli to achieve actual machines that have all the properties of sentient beings? I have no idea.
But....in all seriousness, not joking....
I have been talking politics over at Skeptical Community for a few months. Most of those people, really and truly, could be replaced by chatbots. For all I know I'm living in a Turing test over there. They just repeat the slogans on every topic. There doesn;t seem to be any capacity for original thought. ChatGPT really has gotten just as good as Republicans on the internet.
I have been talking politics over at Skeptical Community for a few months. Most of those people, really and truly, could be replaced by chatbots. For all I know I'm living in a Turing test over there. They just repeat the slogans on every topic. There doesn;t seem to be any capacity for original thought. ChatGPT really has gotten just as good as Republicans on the internet.
Yes, there is a certain amount of redundancy over there, but they, for the most part, are not FuckBots. You're trying to make a point here. Now either make it or fuck it MM.
There are many over there that I've have I've put in "The Cornfield" because they simply are not worth interacting with. Wildcunt comes to mind. But that's not all of them nor does he represent all of them. Doctor_X is occasionally tough to get through to but can be reached. AC is a good man. Pyrrho is a very good man. There are others. Bruce has it together. And he tells one hell of a good story when he has a mind to.
So, signing in here and telling us how bad it is over there is bullshit. Please don't do it again.
sparks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:37 am
Yes, there is a certain amount of redundancy over there, but they, for the most part, are not FuckBots. You're trying to make a point here. Now either make it or fuck it MM.
There are many over there that I've have I've put in "The Cornfield" because they simply are not worth interacting with. Wildcunt comes to mind. But that's not all of them nor does he represent all of them. Doctor_X is occasionally tough to get through to but can be reached. AC is a good man. Pyrrho is a very good man. There are others. Bruce has it together. And he tells one hell of a good story when he has a mind to.
So, signing in here and telling us how bad it is over there is bullshit. Please don't do it again.
The point is that I've recently had very human-like conversations with chatGPT about salsa, and very machine-like conversations with humans about politics. I truly think that the gap is shrinking, and it makes me wonder if there is anything more to human intelligence than some very elaborate word association,
It occurs to me that conversations about food really are quite formulaic. I sometimes watch cooking shows and I love seeing what someone can make when required to use halibut, cinammon, and Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs as ingredients. However, when it comes right down to it, the dialog on those shows really could be written by a chatbot today.
Meanwhile, politics can cover in depth philosophy, requires understanding of history, and sometimes very complex logic, except most political discussions have little or none of that. Most of it comes down to "Four legs good. Two legs bad."
Therefore, it's not too surprising that a machine can sound much like a human when discussing food, and could sound much like a typical human discussing politics, if it were trained to do so.
