Admin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:16 am
That's not what I read, in fact, the article suggests the opposite.
Indeed it does, which is sad.
The news feeds are today full of all sorts of stories that say things like, "Report shows Hamas did not use al-Shifa."
What is actually true is that there isn't suffiicient evidence to show that al-Shifa was a "command center", as the IDF claimed.
But the evidence for Hamas being present and in control of the hospital is overwhelming. Have the hostage videos been debunked? I haven't seen it. There was only one tunnel? Well, yes. What would be the point of having two? Why was there one? I have seen reports in the useful idiots branch of the media saying it was a supply center where oxygen and other medical supplies were stored. Hmmm....that entrance doesn't really seem conducive to that sort of use. I would like a wider stairway for that sort of thing.
Hamas was the government of Gaza. Of course they had control of that hospital. Of course they took some of the hostages there. Where else would they take them if they were wounded? I'm assuming that's why the hostages were there. I assume they were being treated. Some of them would have been injured in the fighting when Hamas stormed a dance party and kibbuts, but didn't kill everyone. They just killed some people, and took others hostage. Well, there's some benefit to keeping hostages alive, so they might want to use a hospital to help achieve that end. The video evidence corroborates that they did exactly that.
Well,,,,maybe not. Let's play the "no evidence" game. There's no evidence the hostages shown at the hospital received medical treatment.
Caused by the IDF.
Caused by war.
I'm not convinced there was much return fire at all.
But there was return fire. Right? And there still is.
I would absolutely agree that the IDF is using overwhelming force with very little concern about civilian casualties.
if Hamas is fighting back heavily on the ground they're pretty fucking useless at it.
Agreed. They should stop.
There are demands for a cease fire. Well, either side could initiate one, and if either side did, there would be no more firing, assuming either side also did one or two other little things. Like, if the IDF initiated a cease fire, and removed their forces to allow Hama to resume control of what was left of Gaza, there would be no more fighting. If Hamas initiated a cease fire, and allowed unrestricted control of the Gaza strip by Israel, there would be no more fighting.
However, in my opinion, the latter will happen regardless. Israel will once again be the government in Gaza. It's all over except the dying. Israel has won yet another war that began with an attack by the Arabs. It's time to surrender, and regroup for another attempt later.
Or.....maybe, there might be some other future possible. I doubt it, but you never know. At any rate, further fighting is just killing people with no end. The conquered military should surrender.
eTA: Here's another headline today:
"Fighting rages in northern Gaza after U.N. stops short of ceasefire call " (Reuters)
Rages. Maybe it's just hype.
Either way, they really ought to stop shooting at the IDF. No good can come of it.