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Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:25 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:31 pm

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:30 am It is my belief that if she had stood up a few months ago and said

"Males shouldn't be allowed to play in girls' sports." And
"Abortion should be illegal in the third trimester except in cases where it is necessary to save the mother's life," and
"My administration will not support any payments to individuals for reparations related to their ancestors' slavery."

If she had said those things, I believe the election would be over. Trump would have no chance. She didn't. As a result, Donald Trump may very well return to the White House.

Nope. Utter baloney.

The voters to whom those are real issues are already voting Trump.

So what do you think will make the difference for those people? You've heard what Bill Maher and I think about it, but if we're wrong, what is actually the sticking point that prevents them from picking one side or the other?

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:26 pm

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:25 pmSo what do you think will make the difference for those people? You've heard what Bill Maher and I think about it, but if we're wrong, what is actually the sticking point that prevents them from picking one side or the other?

I think your biggest problem is the vast number of people who don't vote.

Holding the election on a Tuesday is crazy, but that's America.

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:34 pm But that's a bit of ignoring the issue. People do vote, Of those people who are not automatic voters for one party, and are not never Trumpers, what do you think is important to them in making their decision?

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:34 pmI think that for an awful lot of them, they don't like Trump, and they don't like "woke", and they're having trouble deciding which one they like less. I think there's enough of those people that if Kamala had made some staunchly anti-woke statements, she would have the race in the bag.

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:27 pm If trans people using bathrooms means more to the voters than things like economic stability and world leadership, then they are exactly those insane old cunts I already mentioned.

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:43 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:27 pm If trans people using bathrooms means more to the voters than things like economic stability and world leadership, then they are exactly those insane old cunts I already mentioned.

It's not necessarily a question of "meaning more".

It might mean that they don't really know which candidate will deliver economic stability. (For example, I don't know which candidate will deliver economic stability.....although Trump's promise of tariffs strikes me as not so stable, but he can't impose those without help from Congress, so I'm still not sure.) So, that's an important issue, but it's a wash.

Or, they might have very strong opinions about which one is better on the economy, but in that case they are mostly in an "unreachable" camp already.

But then you get to something like immigration, Donald Trump's signature issue.

If people think that illegal immigrants are dangerous villains who are raping our women and eating our cats, that's probably a Trump voter, and there's not much point in trying to persuade them. However, there are an awful lot of people, like me, who feel that the abundance of illegal immigrants in America is a real problem, regardless of their calorie sources. For me, it's not enough to overcome Donald Trump's personal flaws, but for other people it's a bigger issue, and they see recent moves to tighten the border as too little and/or too late. Bill Maher said that Kamala ought to say something like, "We've learned our lesson and we won't let that happen again." I think she would get some votes if she did.

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:59 amBut come November, there will be a winner and a loser, and especially the people who wish those roles were reversed will really need to ask themselves how their candidate managed to lose.