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arthwollipot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:30 pm You don't believe that Trump and the Republicans will systematically dismantle American democracy so that Trump can be dictator for life?

Okay.

No, I think that's purely a wet dream. I look at Trump's presidency, and he played golf and put judges into jobs and I'd lay good odds on him doing the same from 2025 to 2028.

There's no way even a fully Republican House will try such a thing. Trump is trolling and some people are buying it.

It's their stated intention.

arthwollipot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:09 am It's their stated intention.

As much as I fear Trump, I don't think his "stated intention" is to "dismantle American democracy".


I fear he might do it anyway, but let's be truthful about what is actually being said.

When i was a teenager, the breathalyzer was not in widespread use. Instead, cops would ask you to walk a straight line, or some other task that indicated drunkenness. As a result, a standard feature of parties during our teenage years was people proving that they were sober enough to drive by proving they could walk a straight line.

After seeing this a few times, I realized that no one ever attempted to prove he could walk a straight line unless they were, in fact, smashed. Never mind how well they walked a straight line. Just the attempt to prove they weren't drunk was something only drunk people did.

Tonight, Joe Biden is holding a press conerence to prove that he has the mental fitness to be President.



The best possible outcome would be that he totally bombs it, by losing words or not completing sentences or in other ways looking very, very, old. If so, the demands for resignation would become overwhelming, and he would be forced to step down as candidate. If he makes it through, the agony will continue.

arthwollipot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:09 am It's their stated intention.

Where do they state that?

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:50 pm

arthwollipot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:09 am It's their stated intention.

Where do they state that?

It's the entire premise of Project 2025. The party platform of the Republicans isn't a list of policies, it's a Pledge of Allegiance to Donald Trump. The Supreme Court has ruled that he has immunity for official acts. What's the bet that his first "official act" is to declare an end to term limits?

arthwollipot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:11 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:50 pm

arthwollipot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:09 am It's their stated intention.

Where do they state that?

It's the entire premise of Project 2025. The party platform of the Republicans isn't a list of policies, it's a Pledge of Allegiance to Donald Trump. The Supreme Court has ruled that he has immunity for official acts. What's the bet that his first "official act" is to declare an end to term limits?

Uhmmm.....no.

Although, I don't think you are crazy for thinking it might happen. I do think Trump is a potential dictator. However, Project 2025 is a list of policies. Nothing else. And it doesn't spell the end of decmocracy, and it certainly doesn't "state', to quote you, anything like it. Maybe it's lurking in the wings. It's not a stated goal.

ETA: Well, not really. It's not just a list of policies. It's also a set of strategies to achieve them. The point is, it isn't undemocratic. I don't like it, but their goal is to get people elected to put their policies in place.

They cheat at elections.

arthwollipot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:40 pm They cheat at elections.

No they don't. Trump tried. He failed.


They make an effort to manipulate laws to give themselves an advantage, but that's not the same as cheating. Both parties do it, and they always will. In 2020, for example, Democrats made a huge push to make it easier to vote. Why did they do that? Was it because of their deep commitment to democracy and wanting to get as many people as possible to vote? Hell, no. They knew that their voters were more likely to vote if they made it easier.


What worries me is that people might elect someone who tried to cheat at an election. Just trying to do that is, in my humble opinion, despicable, and I would never vote for someone who did it.

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:54 pmThey make an effort to manipulate laws to give themselves an advantage, but that's not the same as cheating. Both parties do it, and they always will. In 2020, for example, Democrats made a huge push to make it easier to vote. Why did they do that? Was it because of their deep commitment to democracy and wanting to get as many people as possible to vote? Hell, no. They knew that their voters were more likely to vote if they made it easier.

Huh? Making it easier to vote benefits everybody. It's how you make elections fair. It supports democracy. The Republicans don't do that. They gerrymander. They introduce voter ID laws that disenfranchise the poor. They make it hard to get to polling places in districts that are likely to not vote for them. Republican thugs station themselves at polling places to intimidate people.

If you think both sides cheat equally at elections, then you're just not looking at elections.

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:54 pmWhat worries me is that people might elect someone who tried to cheat at an election. Just trying to do that is, in my humble opinion, despicable, and I would never vote for someone who did it.

According to your argument, you do it all the time. Because everybody cheats at elections.