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And, ......nothingburger.


Of course, I haven't actually read the filing, nor have I read all the news stories. However, in this world of instant news, the news agencies have had some time to skim it, and several have posted headline that included "Make them riot".

It was a conversation that didn't involve Trump, and it was done in November, while votes were being counted in downtown Detroit.

If that's the best they can find, I'm confident that there's nothing new in there that is worth knowing and we didn't already know.


And, to repeat myself, it really shows that Trump is a rotten scumbag who is a threat to democracy. But we knew that.

One thing I am not certain of is whether or not he's a criminal. (On this particular charge) One thing that would help would be if the news stories actually included the crimes with which he is charged, but I haven't seen that, much less a discussion of legal requirements to secure a conviction on those charges.

President Bush wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:29 pm

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:47 pm

sparks wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 4:29 pm "I get to say "See I told you so." "

Keep in mind MM that if it doesn't turn out as you predict, you get to eat crow.

I personally have no skin in this game. I'm just sayin'.

Well, ABC is calling it a "bombshell".....but no details yet. It's a "developing story".

"Bombshell filing includes new allegations of Trump's efforts to overturn election"

I'm sticking with my prediction.

If you're worried parts of the media are just going to misrepresent this... why are you waiting for them to report on it?

Here it is if you druther make up your own mind:

https://www.scribd.com/document/7755995 ... from_embed

Because there are two stories that interest me.

1. What happened?
2. How is the media reporting it?

The role of media, including corporate, partisan, and social, is a major influence on our society and our elections. I'm interested in the way they present and spin stories.

I don't care about 2. You don't care about 1. Glad we figured that out.

To anybody interested in the details/evidence in the 165 pages, this may help...

P1 Steve Bannon
P2 Campaign Manager Trump 2020 Bill Stepien
P8 Chief of Staff for VP Mike Pence Marc Short
P9 likely Eric Herschmann
P10 Joe DiGenova
P11 Victoria Toensing
P16 Arizona Governor Doug Ducey
P17 Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
P18 Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers
P21 might be Mark Meadows
P25 Gabriel Sterling
P26 Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr
P29 Georgia election worker Wandrea Shaye Moss
P30 Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman (Moss’ mother)
P33 Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger
P37 Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey
P38 Michigan House Of Representatives Speaker Lee Chatfield
P39 Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel
P43 Republican National Committee Chief Counsel Justin Riemer
P46 Chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party Lawrence Tabas
P51 Tucker Carlson
P52 Bill Barr
CC1 Rudy Giuliani
CC2 John Eastman
CC3 Sidney Powell

I haven't read evey page of the filing, but I've read a lot of it.

What struck me was just the sheer volume. Page after page recounting Trump's post-election conduct. While there isn't any "gotcha" or any "bombshell", just the sheer number of different attempts, all put together in one document, makes a very powerful presentation.

At least, it's powerful to someone who already had that opinion.

I kept finding myself asking whether he was a lunatic, a liar, or just too damned stupid to understand what he was doing. Of course, at various times, he is all of the above. It's hard to sort out for any given falsehood which aspect was most in play.

Sadly, though, there's no bombshell. There's no line that can be turned into a sound bite that works in a campaign commercial. I just don't know how to sell it to the voters in such a way that they say that they can't overlook Trump's conduct.