stanky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 4:08 am
we broke our promise to not expand NATO into surrounding Russia.
we engineered the turmoil and then supplied the weapons.
why is Russia a threat? It's their turf. It's a proxy war. U.S./Russia.
What Arth said.
To elaborate, the people of Ukraine do not seem to want to be ruled by a Russian dictator, and the Russian dictator has no right to rule them. They are not living on his turf.
It seems, though, that what you meant about no war without United States involvement was the second of my possible explanations of your statement. Wtihout the US, there would be no war, because there would be no indendent Ukraine. Putin and his successors would control all of it, because it's their turf.
I have no illusions that wars are not always fought for idealistic reasons. When the folks in the State Department, and White House, and Defense Department, and even various boardrooms of the military-industrial complex get together, they probably don't have the best interests of the Ukranian people at heart. They probably aren't motivated first and foremost by an effort to free people from oppression.
But they should be, and whether or not their motives are pure, there really are good guys and bad guys in this war, or at least one side is a lot better than the other, and our side, the US side, is backing the good guys.