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Meadmaker wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:42 pmIt reminds me of something my father once said to me. He was 70 at the time.

"All my life I called myself a socialist. It was only recently that I realized that if socialism could ever work, we wouldn't need socialism."

He wasn't wrong.

He promised to drain the swamp last time too. Did he?

"Woke stuff". Lol.

I'm pretty confident I know what it means, and it is a very bad, evil thing that must be stopped. It's not, it's just profoundly unrealistic and relies on humans choosing to behave in ways that they have never behaved in their history. If humans could suddenly stop being human and become communist ...

Hitler, and most of the other conquerors, saw the people they killed as nuissances to be swept away. For Hitler, the deaths of the Poles was insignifican. Those people had something that Hitler wanted. i.e. Poland, "lebensraum"., and the deaths of the Jews were a positive boon. He did tha...

If you're of the opinion that motivations don't matter, and the only relevant thing is the thing done in the end, that's fine, I can understand that. But I do think that motivation matters.

I doubt that they say, "How can I be more evil today?"... True, objective "evil" doesn't exist outside of D&D. That's why using the word can be problematic. Even if someone does something for their own benefit, they do it because they truly believe that it's the best thing t...

President Bush wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:34 amYou mean like fucking over the commies at the UN?

Yes. I'm sure he was convinced that fucking over the commies was in the best interest of his country at the time.

sparks wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:49 pm You said it yourself: He was an awful person. His motivation is irrelevant.

I don't think it is.

The full meal deal on Kissinger can be found in Christopher Hitchens' book on him. Read up and weep. I know he was an awful person, but what I'm trying to get at is whether he was awful because he genuinely believed that he was doing good and what he was doing was necessary, or was he full knowing ...