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If you agree, then what do you think Israel should do differently than what it is doing now? If they hadn't immediately made the knee-jerk reaction they were always going to there were a number of options they could have done which would have preserved lives while attaining the goal of removing Ham...

not to defend Hamas, but their brutality is a sign of their poverty. They can't drop bombs from planes, like we do. That kind of murder is tidier. Still, the kids die. Israel's response wasn't exactly 'non-brutal. They can't really claim a moral high ground, can they? Compared to Hamas, I think the...

Oh, come now. Make an effort. You found a wikipeida article that uses those words in a sentence. Bravo. Oh get stuffed. I linked to a Wikipedia article that lists all of the war crimes committed by Allied forces during WW2. It describes them explicitly as war crimes, thus disproving your claim that...

I guess i'd have to disagree then, if there are only two choices. I think there might be more choices. Removing Bibi would be a good start. He's already pledged to continue the slaughter after this brief repose. Some compromise might be an answer; possibly more digestible now for Hamas. Like, maybe...

Sometimes things get lost in the back and forth, and I like to periodically refocus things. Removing Hamas as the government in Gaza is a legitimate goal that can only be achieved through military means, and civilian deaths are inevitable as long as Hamas continues to fight back. Either you agree wi...

By the way. The Wikipedia article Arthwollipot cited in his first post on "collective punishment" does give examples of thing that could be considered as collective punishment and war crimes. I emphasize "could be". I see such things as refusing humanitarian aid access and forced...

What happened to German citizens in WWII "amounted to" collective punishment. They suffered horribly. And yet, historians generall don't say that American and British bombers committed war crimes, depite hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of German civiian deaths. History is written b...

What happened to German citizens in WWII "amounted to" collective punishment. They suffered horribly. And yet, historians generall don't say that American and British bombers committed war crimes, depite hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of German civiian deaths. Since when ? Oh, com...

What Israel is doing amounts to collective punishment , which is a war crime. When one thing "amounts to" another thing, it probably isn't that other thing. What happened to German citizens in WWII "amounted to" collective punishment. They suffered horribly. And yet, historians ...

stanky wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:23 pm
meanwhile, 2 states.
what other choice is there?

I agree.

Hamas doesn't agree. So how do we get there from here?