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One more note about democracy. When the Founding Fathers got together and wrote the 1st ammendment, they included in it the right to free speech, and the right to a free press. Two different rights. We talk about free speech more often, but the free press is more relevant here. Having a free press m...

The conversation is going in a lot of different directions, so I won't try and pick up every thread. There seems to be a sort of unifying theme, though. Sure it may seem like things are ok, but behind the scenes, nefarious actors are going to lead to our doom. Well, if that's the case, I'll go there...

sparks wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 10:41 pm MM, you've already been debunked on this argument.

It is bad form to march it out again without new supporting evidence.

If by "debunked" you mean "someone disagreed", yeah.

I don't see the world (for civilization) lasting much longer without a more global outlook. If we're serious and have any sense of ethical behavior, there neeeds to be a minimum standard of living. I agree....but.... Do we have a better standard of living today, or when you were a child? I don't me...

Virtually all of the references in their report concern the two previous administrations, the Morales and Áñez governments. Here's 2024: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/bolivia#:~:text=Gender%2Db Based on that description, I would rather live here. ETA: More directly to the i...

President Bush wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 3:41 pm

Meadmaker wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:06 am

President Bush wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 5:00 am
Little while ago you said:

Well, yeah. We have google now. A few search terms took me to the State Department and to Human Rights Watch.

You learned all about Bolivia from a couple of links?

I learned that Human Rights Watch doesn't give them a great review.

Is it bad enough to say that we aren't a democracy, because some people 250 or so years ago came up with a system that has some cracks today? I'm not seeing it. "Some cracks" doesn't even begin to describe the problems with American "democracy". I think you;ve been overly influe...

Little while ago you said: I can't say I know much about Bolivia. Well, yeah. We have google now. A few search terms took me to the State Department and to Human Rights Watch. Funny thing about that money=speech idea. Far as I can tell the corporate right to free speech isn't about any freedom to s...

as far as i know, our electoral process is particularly non-democratic compared to other modern democracies. the electoral college sux; gerrymandering and redistricting; I assume that's why we get 50th in "representation". Not everyone's vote is equal. That's bad. It should change. Is it ...

US State Department doesn't care for anti-plutocratic, left-leaning politics, surprise, surprise. Human Rights Watch isn't too kind to Bolivia, either. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/bolivia?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwudexBhDKARIsAI-GWYVt6FhTxEK1Vx4Jm2UyvoC-z3ZuyJxuLGFLV...