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Planet America!
The line gets drawn at contact with the genitals. A dominatrix might whip the end of your dick, but she won't suck, touch or fuck it. If you want that, go find a prostitute.

No doubt it's sexual, but dominatrices don't like being referred to as any kind of hooker. Small distinction, I know.

Fine by me.

Just as a segue into prostitution, NZ has had fully legalised prostitution for all this century and we had a glorious example of the befits of legalisation last week. We had a hooker as a client (odd, you'd expect the other way round!) who had had her employment terminated unfairly. My female advocate (I'm not fuckin' silly) took the case to court and copped ten grand for the hooker.

You wouldn't get that anywhere else in the world.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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Apologies.

I don't have cutting edge knowledge about these distinctions.
(I should get out more.)


To any domanitixes here, i apologize for doing the equivalent of calling you prostitutes.

In fact, I apologize for calling hookers prostitutes...if I did that.

It's hard to be PC polite all the time when you live in the woods and just heard about goat fucking yesterday.
I want to figure it all out, but I'm a bit backward.

But I'm starting to get it.

A dominitrix is an uppity hooker?

(I gladly yield to T.A.'s superior knowledge of this stuff.)


But hey!

I do know some fascinating stuff about cement.

So it balances out, I reckon.
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A troubled hooker can be hot.

A troubled dominatrix amounts to a crummy iron maiden.
Paranoids have all the facts.
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When sophisticated issues like this come up, I'm out of my depth, instantly.

A few reference points might get me up to speed.

In the tv show, Andy of Mayberry, "Aunt Bee"was the dominatrix...is that right?
She was something of the final arbitrator of the dissemination of power in that particular dynamic.

Am I even close?
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Quote:Posted by President Bush - 4 hours ago

A troubled hooker can be hot.


A troubled dominatrix amounts to a crummy iron maiden.

See?  Pres knows that stuff.

A few year back , probably 20 now, when the new gov funded 'multicultural' channel went to air they showed some stuff bordering porn.  They weren't dirty series things, they were interviews with people with strange jobs and fetishes etc.  Stuff you find everywhere on the internet but not on free to air TV normally.
But after sneaking a few looks I found them ... now don't laugh .. educational.

Especially the interviews with hookers for some reason.  I may have been one in a previous life or something but I was never 'uppity' about them.  I was grateful to them in some ways and while most would be pretty rough company at a dinner party I actually met 2 who were such nice, ordinary people that I was rocked to hear their histories.

One was a housewife, who went on the game for a couple of years between marriages.  Both husbands knew and she was still in contact with the first one who'd run off with an estate agent.
 
Her 2nd knew she'd done 'call work' but was okay as long as she stopped when he married her.  She did.  She came and got a job on the railway.

 I really admired her, she was a straight talker with no airs or need to lie to impress people.  She did though ask the 'girls' not to tell the men in the office what she'd told us over the meal table gossip sessions.
We didn't, the 'sisterhood' held up. RolleyesBig Grin

The other was also someone I worked with, a kid really.  She was 17 when she turned up for us to train.
She had the piercings and pink hair and dressed like a 2 dollar hooker but had a really nice speaking voice and good vocabulary and of course that totally intrigued me.

She was open and honest to a fault too and it was only a few days before we had her history.
She was currently shacked up in a single room in a slum area with a bikie,  they slept on a mattress in the corner and the bike was always within arms reach so to speak.
She was okay with that, he didn't hit her, he gave her enough for groceries, and she was quite content with that for the time being.
She was biding her time though.  She was working to save money for clothes and books and rent for when she went to university.   .. yeah right we thought.

She'd come from a normal middle class family and had a good public school education up until she was 11 when her parents were killed and she was given into the custody of a much older sister who she didn't know all that well.
 
She continued to go to school but the sister was a hooker and put her on the game at age 12.  She was a 'special' and made the sister a lot of money.
 
She'd had an offer from a client to move in with him and took that up for a year or so, then at 16 she'd met the bikie and moved in with him instead.
 She didn't like the rich bloke,  he was getting "too bossy" and not paying her what he said he would.

This girl was no victim!  Despite what had happened in so short a time she was perfect;y at peace with it, no sign of trauma and certainly no sign of stupidity. She had an aura of confidence about her that I'd have killed for at that age.

She did the correspondence courses, and did sit for her certificates and did leave work to go to Uni !
.... but I'd give quite a lot to know how she turned out.
She was on my fairly short list on the good side of memorable people I've worked with.
I never did figure out how she came to speak so well, almost 'toffy', hardly even swore except when and were expected.  Mystery girl.  nice looking girl too.

Imagine being so mature and pragmatic at 16 about having been a child prostitute, sold by your sister.  She still even spoke to the sister, no hard feelings?!  
No 'poor me syndrome' about that girl.   No false modesty or bullshit either, she was really impressive without ever trying to be.

But another thing was that neither was ashamed of their previous occupation.

Of course there were hookers around Central that you had to wonder who the hell would screw them for money let alone pay them for it.  Jezuz there were some sad old bags living on hope there.  Some were foul mouthed old drunks with it but they didn't bother me, I felt kind of sorry for them and kind of "well that's the job you chose sweetie" but mostly sad that they hadn't made a better life from it rather than 'serves you right'.

Anyway those 2 made me curious to see if they were as unusual as I presumed and I found they actually weren't.  

Heaps of housewives go on the game.  Heaps more do phone sex.  Even the phone hookers fall into categories, those who talk dirty,  the sweeties, and the madam lash dominatrices.  I think I could have survived the dominatrix gig but shit, not the normal hooker duties. Confused

There were a few dominatrices interviewed, in their own homes, off duty, as ordinary people talking about their work.
There are even sub categories among them!  Some cater to verbal abuse junkies, some to the masochists, some to the ones who want to be punished and then get off on being forgiven.
And judging from the memory I have of it TA is right about them not getting sexuallyy entangled as part of the deal.
Some had changed to being dominatrix category but no longer did  normal tricks.

These women had to be psychologists, as to be successful and get repeat business they had to nail not only exactly what kind of treatment got the blokes off, but judge the exact limits and the right time to switch on the mercy for those who needed that bit to get off.  Too soon and the client would be pissy, too late and she'd have a raving crying nut case on her hands.
... and you blokes think women are weird??

They had one thing in common and I have no idea if that's because the trait is common or if the producer chose only the best of them.   But they were all sensible women, open minded, no idiots, no psychos, no obvious bullshitters,  and no ... believe it or not .. sadists.
 
There may be some but that's not a good quality in a dominatrix as her wants aren't what's being paid for, it's his wants that take precedence and a sadist would go too far.

See?  I told you it was educational.  

Nearly forgot, the most amazing one was a woman married to quite nice but crippled man (bike accident) who was not only well aware of her occupation but had once been on the game himself as a  'stud'. 

Times got tough for him as he aged but he found her and they seemed a genuine loving couple. 
They were just ordinary suburbanites, did the garden and cooked together and boring as bat shit if you didn't know the back story.

She was unrecognizable when she was geared up.  Looked 20 years younger and still had a ripper figure but she had to be at least late 40s or more due to some of the events she mentioned that had happened decades ago.  Gave herself away really.

Watch more TV Stanky, educational content of course. Angel
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Fascinating tale, love.

Strange about '...no sadists..."

It's diabolical. Seems like the ideal job for a sadist. Too ideal, evidently. Probably similar with hookers not being nymphomaniacs. Or a Catholic Priest not being a pedophile. It's kind of a waste.

There must be gay dominitrices, I presume. If so, i bet the top ranked ones would have some great stories about their clientele.
Old white senators opposed to gay rights that have a loveless marriage to an old frump in a pant suit.
Or our V.P.

He's the kind of guy that probably visits a gay dominitrix.
If so, imagine how the dominitrix feels, having the sort of knowledge that could affect an empire?

They must be very well paid and threatened to keep their silence.

(If they exist.)
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Funny you mention old white senators in a sexual escapades topic as I've spent most of the day discussing, and joking, about our equivalent of VP who is under fire from all sides at the moment.

It's complicated, and simple really, but overly nitpicked by social and professional media to have become complicated.

There are some delicious ironies, not as good as that picdick selfie sender you had called Weiner, that will never be topped, but some funny ones to us that would need a fair bit of explanation and I'm hungry and going to cook up some dinner rather than ramble here.

I'm surprised TA hasn't thrown this one onto the Aus/NZ thread, they must be busting a gut laughing over there.
Barny has just managed to prove he's not a Kiwi and all the time he was acting like one. ... sorry TA, NLACGB (never let a chance go by)

As a 'trailer' here's the zinger pic of the whole affair.

Who's the hooker??
[Image: 5309663Barny_s_bad_look.PNG]

Well that's the poor little staffer (his media manager) who the big bad married politician led into immorality and got her pregnant while continuing to find her better and better and higher paying jobs with his mates in parliament.
No one is sure how many of the population are pissed about the "Me too" element, the Hypocrisy overload, or the cost to taxpayers of paying this woman more than she was worth.

.. complicated. But America too would go batshit if their VP got himself into the bind our Deputy Dawg has.

... teaser ... Johnny Depp is pissing himself laughing over it.
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(02-13-2018, 02:16 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  These women had to be psychologists, as to be successful and get repeat business they had to nail not only exactly what kind of treatment got the blokes off, but judge the exact limits and the right time to switch on the mercy for those who needed that bit to get off.  Too soon and the client would be pissy, too late and she'd have a raving crying nut case on her hands.
... and you blokes think women are weird??

Bingo!

The parlour my friend was running had an amazingly gorgeous chick on the game who was studying a PhD in psychology. I imagine she picked up some pretty useful info.

(02-13-2018, 11:41 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  I'm surprised TA hasn't thrown this one onto the Aus/NZ thread, they must be busting a gut laughing over there.
Barny has just managed to prove he's not a Kiwi and all the time he was acting like one. ... sorry TA, NLACGB (never let a chance go by)

Shit yes - it's almost one of those cases you don't know where to start.

His wife's comments have been widely enjoyed over here. What a prize fuckwit.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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