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#41
And to be fair, it's not as if we didn't know Mango Man-Child was gonna pull this ignorant shit. The douche-nozzle has shit for brains and the mentality of a 5 year old. What ever you'd expect from a spoiled brat bastard 5 year old is what Donnykins will do.

And The Great Unwashed here to Umerca elected the fuckwad first time around.

Well, not this time Donny-Douche. Not this fucking time you orange asshole.
You can lead 'em to knowledge, but you can't make 'em think.
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#42
Ms. Di?

Are you still in the room?

I want you to know that I'm not as rabid as some other lefties here.
I'm probably worse, but with a different angle.
I don't see Biden as a solution to Trump.
I see him as the continuity of the corruption, in a more respectable approach.
Trump has to go because he's just too crazy. He served the agenda well, but he's become a liability.
Biden was the perfect pick for the continuation of the same agenda.
Absolutely nothing about this runaway train will be addressed in the new regime. That's a given. It was hand selected for this.

If anyone has the guts, check out Biden's likely picks for his cabinet.
Or, if you really have guts, dig into what Barrack Obama was. And did.
The left-right quazi civil war that's brewing is perfect for the agenda of the single party agenda.
It is fueled by misinformation and pro-active confusion.
It's all the same party, and imho, it's seriously coked-out; run it's course.

There is nothing to celebrate yet. It's as if Pepsi just beat Coke.
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#43
Saw another one sparks may like:

"...iDJT..."
"The moose defies domestication."
~ stanky
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#44
(11-12-2020, 02:16 PM)stanky Wrote:  Ms. Di?

Are you still in the room?

Yeah, I'm baaack,  for an hour or two hopefully although the drop outs weren't as frequent today, maybe they found someone who knows how to fix it.

I want you to know that I'm not as rabid as some other lefties here.
I'm probably worse, but with a different angle.

Well there's a coincidence,  I see it from different angle too.
There's a salient point in that.  We come from opposite ends of the spectrum yet we both see it the same way.
Makes you wonder if this has anything to do with actual ideologies at all doesn't it?
It's about 'them' using ideology as their carrots and sticks to herd the sheeple into their pens.

I don't see Biden as a solution to Trump.

I see him as the continuity of the corruption, in a more respectable approach.

Bingo!  Biden personifies the problem that brewed up the mood that elected Trump in the first place.

Trump has to go because he's just too crazy. He served the agenda well, but he's become a liability.

Only to the 'swamp' and the poxy parasites in the UN and their toadie media tarts.  He seems to be getting along pretty well with those for whom ... you'll all hate this... he kept his promises for.    Shit, I can see how that must sting every politician in the game, they wouldn't want that kind of behaviour to become the expectation of voters.

The media and pollies keep forgetting that he's not a politician, he''s only 'crazy' if he's trying to be a politician. 
He's a flim flam man, not a diplomat.  He's playing by the rules of P.T.Barnum, not of George Washington ... or insert the name of your favourite epitome of highly principled politician here...

His behaviour is not considered 'crazy' in the corporate jungle, that's why you all hate corporate types isn't it?

Diplomats were never able to do the 'crazy' stuff,  he was. And like it or not he made the UN parasites pay up their fair share instead making American tax payers fund Europe's defence,  mollified DimKim and smacked down Iran.
I can't remember when America wasn't at war with someone, so how many black military lives has he saved?  Never mind any white soldiers still alive,they don't count any more it seems.

You don't have to like the bastard but geezuz, you could be a little bit fairer and less one eyed occasionally couldn't you?

You hate the politicians then you hate someone who stirs them up even more.  Hard to tell what the hell you all expect sometimes.  Just wtf do you really want? Huh

Biden was the perfect pick for the continuation of the same agenda.
Absolutely nothing about this runaway train will be addressed in the new regime. That's a given. It was hand selected for this.

Yes.
I'm sensing there may be a bit of a double play going on here. Just a hunch.
The Dems billionaire backers,  the munitions moguls, and of course, the renewables investors, and the money men at the UN who get that luverly carbon tax commission to "help" 3rd world nations, (...like China..fer chrissakes..)  were seeing their bottom line threatened by Trump.  
That was the cause of the white scared faces at his inauguration, they all looked as though their bank manager died and took their Swiss account numbers with him. It wasn't fear for America, it was fear of going broke.

So the Dems had to win.  To do that they had to come up with better policies, except they never did.
Anyone know what 'promises' they made in this year's campaign? 
No, they played it differently, they didn't offer a reward, they offered a punishment.  If you don't vote for us we'll "cancel" you.  Well call you a racist, and we'll insist that you must be slotted into a preconcieved 'identity' based on your colour or gender or screwing preferences.
Identity politics is their game.  Why?  Because they knew they needed more than just their normal voting base, they needed to stir up the minorities and get them on side
And they needed Bernies people!

So, they played the BLM angle, and the Socialist, Bernie grade, angle, and to drag in the really radical dreamers they played up to AOC's 'squad' fans.

No way they could run Bernie or the squad up front but they had to make them believe that they were really making "the policies".

It was risky move, razor's edge stuff, playing both ends against the middle but they've pulled it off.

Tell AOC that Biden is just a stalking horse and that she's really calling the shots.  Tell Bernie much the same thing to keep him quiet,  then conjure up the VP job for Harris to further con them that it was all just a sham to fool the public into thinking they were voting for good old 'politics as normal' Joe and that once he won he'd just move aside and let them take over.

But hands up anyone who ever saw a genuine Socialist billionaire.   They funded the Dems because the DNC are their puppets, not AOC's or Bernies.

Those who voted for the fantasy of 'black supremacy' or even equality, and who voted for The New Green Deal were really voting for the same creeps who have using both camps to support their positions in control of the direction of America's spending.

Maybe "The Great Reset" is still on the agenda,  but it won't be the one the Socialists think it is.

No one will own anything?  seriously?  All property will be controlled by whoever is planet saver of the day?

Who the hell do you think is going to be in control of this unicorn dust of emissions suspension imposed 'equality'?

Got your names down as volunteers?  

The Dems billionaire backers, not Trump have been gaming you, but you didn't want to see it.

Who won??    Not you. and certainly not Americans who still have to make a living other than behind a desk or a coffee machine.


If anyone has the guts, check out Biden's likely picks for his cabinet.
Or, if you really have guts, dig into what Barrack Obama was. And did.
The left-right quazi civil war that's brewing is perfect for the agenda of the single party agenda.

Yep

It is fueled by misinformation and pro-active confusion. 

And the relentless spin of the "fake" media on both fronts. 

It's all the same party, and imho, it's seriously coked-out; run it's course.

There is nothing to celebrate yet. It's as if Pepsi just beat Coke.

Pretty much.

Geezus but I'm a cynical old bitch sometimes eh?  
Sorry bout that but I just can't swallow the bullshit about rights and wrongs and goodies and baddies in the land of political bastardry. 

The abhorred Mitch McConnell nailed this vote recount 'outrage' ...paraphrased .... "We won't be lectured about conceding defeat by the people who still haven't conceded their own 2016 defeat"

They've spent the entire term denying Trump's leadership and now have the unmitigated gall to demand that he, and his voters, pay "due respect" to them???   fucked if I would. 

Joe Biden wants  UNITY?? .."we're all Americans" .. this from the Party who has brought identity politics to a high art form??   No Joe, only blacks hispanics gays and socialists are Americans according to what we've heard from your side, everyone else is a clown a nazi, and uneducated fuckwit or just plain deplorable.  

UNITY??  spare us the 'normal politics',  at least half the country won't swallow that bullshit any more. 
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#45
I would argue a few points you make, Di.

First, that Trump did what he promised.
If I didn't know who he was, I would have voted for him in 2016.
He was going to get us out of pointless wars. Cool.
He was going to use that money to rebuild our ever-crumbling infrastructure. Groovy.
He was going to give us much better health care, for way less money. Sweet.
I can dig that stuff. I hate Hillary. Of course I'd vote for him.

(Except, I knew his history.) Of course, he did none of that.

Drain the swamp! Man, that had some appeal. Root out all that nasty corruption. I'm on board.
Except, Trump IS the swamp. His initial cabinet was typical swamp creatures, except with an extra twist: He gave high positions to the swampiest of swamp creatures. Billionaires were his favorites. CEO's of our largest and worst corporations appealed to him. And of course, the usual handful of Goldman Sachs dudes. Lots of those swamp creatures weren't swampy enough for him. He had to fire Rex, the top dude at Exxon. Not swampy enough. Betsy DeVoss, otoh, is just swampy enough for him. Airhead billionaire, in charge of education. Sleepy Dr. Ben is also excellent for housing. Zero knowledge on the subject, but happy to charge America for some really fancy furniture. A team player.

Trump has moved through a mess of disappointing picks over the years; replaced them with swampier versions; surrounded himself with corrupt lawyers, and even empowered his woefully inadequate family to play a part.
Trump's frustration has been his inability to find a solid team of worshipers. Bolton isn't crazy enough for Trump's agenda. That's saying something. Trump's agenda is self-aggrandizement. Ultimate power and wealth. He's old school. He wants a military parade in his honor. That's the agenda. He wants to be Marcos. Reagan called Marcos "The best friend democracy ever had." Reagan also had a slogan, btw.: "Make America Great Again!" Clinton also used that one. It always works, because, at whatever moment, America doesn't seem that great.
Trump, in his infinite wisdom, made legal claim on the phrase, and cranked out shit-tons of MAGA hats and such. It's about the brand.

Marcos made off with half of the wealth of the Philippines. His wife had lots of shoes.
Trump is the Duvalier's of Haiti. Idi Amin; Pinochet; etc. He seeks the glory and the money. Perhaps to a more clinical degree than any other.
Does anyone believe that Trump gives a shit about abortion?
Even the insane "Build the wall!" bullshit, that Mexico would pay for, is hardly a promise kept.
Worse, in his case, that concept was something an underling in his campaign suggested to him; that it was a simple phrase that could have appeal to people that were afraid. It had never occurred to Donald. He bought the idea because of how it might incite a certain demographic of voters. And even that had to be presented to him. The wall, of course, is an absurd failure, on every imaginable level.

His devotes might claim that he was hob-knobbed by the relentless radical left, and the absurd impeachment thingy.
If not for that, we'd have that damn wall! And it would stop the flow of drugs.
The China virus is the other great scape-goat. Trump tells us what a great job he's done with that. Relentlessly. The fans somehow believe it, and refuse to wear masks. Masks are gay. Trump devotes are not.

Your last line above is the kicker:
Half the country won't swallow that bullshit anymore. True, true.

But they're way up for swallowing a different flavor of bullshit.

I find it hilarious that Fox News has fallen into disfavor with team Trump.
Nothing to do with politics, really...it's that their worship wasn't strong enough.

Three new sites have emerged from the wreckage to accommodate Trumpism.
But what is Trumpism?

It's the worship of Donald Trump.
He's a guru to those prone to bluster.
We've seen this before. The fleet of Rolls Royce's; hitting on your wife in the ashram; a fabulous palace; adoring throngs...very primitive stuff; low hanging fruit of easy manipulation.

I can't fathom that you see it differently, Di.

Is America great again? Or, less great?

Make America Great Again, Again! was briefly a slogan. Irony may have caught up to that one.

Biden's slogan should have been "Keep America Shitty!"
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#46
(11-15-2020, 03:20 PM)stanky Wrote:  I would argue a few points you make, Di

That was the expectation. Wink


First, that Trump did what he promised.

I've seen a list of stuff he did that were the promises that the Trumpers were interested in.  That he didn't keep others of benefit to people who were never really supporting him didn't matter so much.
He kept the promises that mattered to the base.   Sadly Obama didn't do so well improving the lot of his.

If I didn't know who he was, I would have voted for him in 2016.
He was going to get us out of pointless wars. Cool.
He was going to use that money to rebuild our ever-crumbling infrastructure. Groovy.
He was going to give us much better health care, for way less money. Sweet.
I can dig that stuff. I hate Hillary. Of course I'd vote for him.

(Except, I knew his history.) Of course, he did none of that.

Maaaaate,  if we all knew the history of our politicians there wouldn't be room for a toothpick between the crowd on the grassy knoll!  

Drain the swamp! Man, that had some appeal. Root out all that nasty corruption. I'm on board.
Except, Trump IS the swamp. His initial cabinet was typical swamp creatures, except with an extra twist: He gave high positions to the swampiest of swamp creatures. Billionaires were his favorites. CEO's of our largest and worst corporations appealed to him. And of course, the usual handful of Goldman Sachs dudes.

Hey, you think you got troubles??  We elected a Corporate Lawyer turned Goldman Sachs merchant banker as Prime Minister!!   How Right wing crazy is that??   Except that now he's been booted out he's become a "Climate change Crusader" demanding the government do whatever the Greens think is sensible.  (which is zero) He's playing planet saver but he's really just campaigning for more windmills because he's invested every buck in renewables.  He doesn't give a shit about the planet and doesn't believe that the oceans are rising as he lives in a mansion on the waterfront of Sydney Harbour!   Turncoat Turnbull,  you probably don't remember him. Lucky you.
You can't edjakate us on Goldman Sachs types.

But ... Trump was there to run America as a corporation, not a charity.  Who has the best knowledge of how things operate in the global finances department??  Larry Jimbo down the road who makes yard furniture?
Billy Bob who props up the local bar?   Who would you rather have running your investment folio?  Someone who's made billions and networks with government honchos and other billionaires on a daily basis or Larry Jimbo because he's sold a couple of benches to passing tourists and is a nice enough fella?

Who did Obama appoint as his "Tsars"??  Janitors?
 


Lots of those swamp creatures weren't swampy enough for him. He had to fire Rex, the top dude at Exxon. Not swampy enough. Betsy DeVoss, otoh, is just swampy enough for him. Airhead billionaire, in charge of education. Sleepy Dr. Ben is also excellent for housing. Zero knowledge on the subject, but happy to charge America for some really fancy furniture. A team player.

Trump has moved through a mess of disappointing picks over the years; replaced them with swampier versions; surrounded himself with corrupt lawyers, and even empowered his woefully inadequate family to play a part.

Family ties runs deep through generations of Presidents,  he's not the first to do that!
The Kennedys turned Washington into the family business, The Clintons, Bushes and to go back further the Rooseveldts were related weren't they?

What makes it mandatory to put only Trump's pecadillos in the spotlight?  Do comparisons make you nervous?

Trump's frustration has been his inability to find a solid team of worshipers. Bolton isn't crazy enough for Trump's agenda. That's saying something. Trump's agenda is self-aggrandizement. Ultimate power and wealth. He's old school. He wants a military parade in his honor. That's the agenda. He wants to be Marcos. Reagan called Marcos "The best friend democracy ever had." Reagan also had a slogan, btw.: "Make America Great Again!" Clinton also used that one. It always works, because, at whatever moment, America doesn't seem that great.
Trump, in his infinite wisdom, made legal claim on the phrase, and cranked out shit-tons of MAGA hats and such. It's about the brand.
Bingo!

Marcos made off with half of the wealth of the Philippines. His wife had lots of shoes.
Trump is the Duvalier's of Haiti. Idi Amin; Pinochet; etc. He seeks the glory and the money. Perhaps to a more clinical degree than any other.

No, I don't see it that way,  they didn't give a shit what the people thought of them personally, they just wanted the power. Trump wants to be 'loved' and venerated, he wants saviour level worship,  you don't get that by being Idi Amin.  You get that by telling them how much you care for them, you have to 'love 'em back, and make them see a martyr.  Look how crucifiction launched Jesus' career.  We'd never have heard of him only for that.
Wake up to yourself. tch.

Does anyone believe that Trump gives a shit about abortion?

No, probably not, but what he did, not what he thought was what mattered.

Even the insane "Build the wall!" bullshit, that Mexico would pay for, is hardly a promise kept.

Last I heard it was progressing at a couple of miles per day.

Worse, in his case, that concept was something an underling in his campaign suggested to him; that it was a simple phrase that could have appeal to people that were afraid. It had never occurred to Donald. He bought the idea because of how it might incite a certain demographic of voters. And even that had to be presented to him. The wall, of course, is an absurd failure, on every imaginable level.

What did it fail to do Stanky??

His devotes might claim that he was hob-knobbed by the relentless radical left, and the absurd impeachment thingy.

Nope, not just his devotees, the whole bloody world was watching the Russian collusion farce play out and regardless of how you were seeing it close up,  those more distant with less interest in politics only saw a malicious refusal to accept the result of the election.

Now those same people are crying foul because his supporters refuse to acknowledge the result of this one.
This little corner of the world isn't chuckling at Trumpers, it's chuckling about the still tantrum chucking Dems.

If not for that, we'd have that damn wall! And it would stop the flow of drugs.

Well now just who do you think gave them excuse to claim just that??  If they'd have backed off and sulked quietly with a bit of dignity, and done some work in building sensible plans and policies he wouldn't have been given the fuel and publicity that increased his voter base.   Has the DNC ever considered hiring a halfway decently credentialled psychologist?

The China virus is the other great scape-goat. Trump tells us what a great job he's done with that. Relentlessly. The fans somehow believe it, and refuse to wear masks. Masks are gay. Trump devotes are not.

Too many complexities in that one for me, States versus Feds, North v.South Red v Blue Black v White
but I'm sure that'll all go away when Joe gets that "Unity" thing going.


Your last line above is the kicker:
Half the country won't swallow that bullshit anymore. True, true.

But they're way up for swallowing a different flavor of bullshit.

Yes, so what?  It's up to the Parties to discern the change in taste and adapt accordingly. 
That then really would be the 'will of the people."
 Telling people what to think, and what they are permitted to think, and preventing them speaking their minds is not democracy, right?   Or is that different over there too?


I find it hilarious that Fox News has fallen into disfavor with team Trump.
Nothing to do with politics, really...it's that their worship wasn't strong enough.

No argument with that.

Three new sites have emerged from the wreckage to accommodate Trumpism.
But what is Trumpism?

It's the worship of Donald Trump.

Only as the symbol of rebellion, not as personal perhaps as he'd like to believe. Many are happy that he's stirring things up, but very unhappy with his Tweeting and crap.  
The Dems should be thankful that he's not the man they claim he should be.  If he was a tad more dignified he'd be declared Emperor for life like Xi (and Putin?)   He's a very flawed character, granted, but he's a symbol!
What he symbolizes is being ignored.  There's   a well of resentment  throughout all classes, maybe someone should try ASKING everyone what is pissing them off instead of TELLING them what is supposed to be pissing them off.

Someone's getting it wrong!

He's a guru to those prone to bluster.
Rubbish.  That may be all you see but again, he's a symbol.

We've seen this before. The fleet of Rolls Royce's; hitting on your wife in the ashram; a fabulous palace; adoring throngs...very primitive stuff; low hanging fruit of easy manipulation.

I can't fathom that you see it differently, Di.

That's because you're forcing him into conforming with the picture you want to see, not adapting the picture to the reality of increasing support that defies the polls.  There's more to it than his fake tan and I can't fathom why you all see this Trumpism thing as something so shallow as you all describe.  

Nobody gets to become symbolic when there's no niche for them to fill, no need for them.  You are looking only at Trump, and not at fixing whatever made his supporters that desperate to find a symbol.


Is America great again? Or, less great?

Define great.  What should it be like??  Realistically, not philosophically. People survive on tangible edibles, not dream pancakes.

Make America Great Again, Again! was briefly a slogan. Irony may have caught up to that one.

Biden's slogan should have been "Keep America Shitty!"

See?  you've done it again, reached the point in the meandering wordiness where we find ourselves on the same lookout with the same viewpoint.

Kinda keeps the fun in it. CoolSmile
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#47
The SVitWH along with the US Senate have had their way for the past four years. Is the US better off now, Di?
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#48
Judging by the increased Repo/Trump voting numbers several million people think  it is Pres.

In what way is it worse off? Discounting the Covid factor, who was worse off other than those making a living from renewables, and munitions investment??  Some importers of cheap Asian junk perhaps?  
We may be a bit deprived of info down here but we hear the unemployment figures especially among black and hispanic demographics have been lower  is that just a 'lie'??  Who's telling it?  Even our leftest media seems to be getting that from factual sources so what do you know that they don't?
We're told a lot of mothers are grateful their sons aren't being shipped out as cannon fodder in wars of 'liberation' too.
Should America be dropping more bombs on foreigners?

Is it worse for everyone Pres?  or just worse for your standards of what is ideal for you?...I've never quite figured out what your ideal Country would be.  You all just seem to be anti everything with no real logical plan to reach that ethereal 'ideal' you all moan about not having.

Illuminate me on your vision of 'great America'.   .. in real terms, not philosophical unicorn farting.  I'm genuinely puzzled by American Socialists,  it seems an oxymoron to me.  If you all want to live like bolshies why haven't you moved to North Korea?   Or in your case Pres, to China?   It's not too bad for the middle classes there I'm told, as long as they toe the line.  So, is it 'greater' in China?

Huh
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#49
(11-16-2020, 03:31 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Judging by the increased Repo/Trump voting numbers several million people think  it is Pres.

In what way is it worse off? Discounting the Covid factor, who was worse off other than those making a living from renewables, and munitions investment??  Some importers of cheap Asian junk perhaps?  
We may be a bit deprived of info down here but we hear the unemployment figures especially among black and hispanic demographics have been lower  is that just a 'lie'??  Who's telling it?  Even our leftest media seems to be getting that from factual sources so what do you know that they don't?
We're told a lot of mothers are grateful their sons aren't being shipped out as cannon fodder in wars of 'liberation' too.
Should America be dropping more bombs on foreigners?

Is it worse for everyone Pres?  or just worse for your standards of what is ideal for you?...I've never quite figured out what your ideal Country would be.  You all just seem to be anti everything with no real logical plan to reach that ethereal 'ideal' you all moan about not having.

Illuminate me on your vision of 'great America'.   .. in real terms, not philosophical unicorn farting.  I'm genuinely puzzled by American Socialists,  it seems an oxymoron to me.  If you all want to live like bolshies why haven't you moved to North Korea?   Or in your case Pres, to China?   It's not too bad for the middle classes there I'm told, as long as they toe the line.  So, is it 'greater' in China?

Huh


Take those increased Republican voting numbers then add three million more. What do you get?

Rest of your post seems addressed to somebody other than me. I'm more a capitalist than you are, silly.
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#50
Then what are you always sniping about? You should be the happiest bloke in Murrica!
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