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Planet of the Humans
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This documentary (free on youtube) takes a deep dive into "green" energy. It's very well done, but it paints a grim picture.

I'd call it a "must see" flick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE
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#2
I see that this film is already making quite a stink. It's going to be a 'thing'.

Hopefully someone here will eventually watch it. If not, a synopsis:
Green energy is as fucked as coal. In fact, it requires lots of coal; on many levels.
And as Di often said, Green energy is an opportunity for wealth for a select group of sociopaths.

I was disappointed that the documentary offered no attempt at solutions.

My favorite rant, going back years; decades; is this:

We need to re-examine the end use of the energy need. Re-design some semblance of an economy from that.
We tend to forget that the culture we find ourselves in, was designed around cheap energy and our need to use it.
We will never replace fossil fuels with anything remotely sustainable without addressing a need to not be so ridiculous.

In the U.S., for instance, our insane need for fuel is predicated on the need to continue as we've been
We barely question the insanity of our transportation system, for instance.
Electric cars that weigh 2 tons; loaded with toxic materials, with one wealthy driver is never going to get it.

We could actually be far more mobile and quite possibly happier on 100th of the energy.
People are reluctant to see that. It's not that better efficiency is so difficult to achieve, it's that we are under the gun of a system that may as well have been designed for maximum waste.

And big-car; big fuel; big road; well, it's all too big to fail.
Big bank, especially.

Hence, we're stuck in a really stupid place.

Population control is super-touchy. Even birth control.
We're no where near ready for death controls.
It's not that we're too stupid to become smart...it's more that the vampires are controlling our thoughts.

Buy Coke!

and we do.

Like we have no choice.
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#3
(04-22-2020, 08:39 AM)stanky Wrote:  This documentary (free on youtube) takes a deep dive into "green" energy. It's very well done, but it paints a grim picture.

I'd call it a "must see" flick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

Just watched it.  Jesus Titty Fucking Christ.  We really are doomed.  Green my ass.  Renewable my ass.  Sustainable my ass.  A lot of eye opening material here.  Biggest shock was Bill Fucking McKibben.  What a two faced lying sack of shit cunt.

The only way  to succeed in surviving is if we control ourselves.  And we'll never do that.

Fuck me.

ETA: I'm curious now just what the carbon footprint of a nuclear power plant really is. There really is NO technological fix. None Nada Zilch. We are soooooooo fucked.
You can lead 'em to knowledge, but you can't make 'em think.
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#4
Interesting thing about McKibben:
After seeing the flick, he's changed his opinion about bio-mass.
That's so unusual; for someone to change their opinion.

Nukes are a whole different thing. I was wishing they's go into it. Of course there are hidden costs.

The takeaway, for me, is this:
How can we sustain this modern life style?
We can't.

The only chance we have; the collective "we", is reduction of population, and rethinking everything.
The crazy thing is, we know how to do it. But we can't. The power brokers won't allow it.
And they tend to have spokespeople that are moronic.

That woman (in the movie) that was promoting electric cars; when asked what was powering them, drew a blank. When pressed, she sheepishly said "Coal."

Thanks for the feedback, sparky.

happy times!
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#5
Yea, it just can't be done. Think of all the coal that has to get burned to produce all the steel that goes into a nuke plant. Think of all that concrete!

How long would the plant have to operate at full power to break even on the environmental impact of building the fucker in the first place? (Indeed, can it break even? Enriched Uranium doesn't grow on trees...)

Good christ!
You can lead 'em to knowledge, but you can't make 'em think.
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#6
My son-in-law is a chemical engineer. The company he worked for paid him to go back to school to procure an economics degree.
He gets sent all over the globe to trouble shoot power plants, including nukes.
The role of banks in how things are done, is stunning.
Power plants are designed to last as long as the mortgage; generally around 30 years.
Longer term investments are too risky. Things change.

There's a good discussion on the movie, with the writer; the producer, and Michael Moore as the host of sorts.
The writer goes into more depth...which is what i wanted to see in the movie.

Here's a link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBGcEK8FD3w
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#7
Thanks stank. I'll peek at that tonight.

"The role of banks in how things are done, is stunning."

No shit. They not only own everything, they run everything and very badly too. In a nutshell, this is the profit motive in action. Make more money for people with money so they don't have to contribute anything tangible. They remain vampires on the blood of the peeps who do contribute.

It's time for a massive rethink on how Capitalism (fails to) work. We can learn from our mistakes locally and we can learn from the mistakes of Socialism.

But I think in the final analysis what it will come down to is a stable, sustainable ZERO growth situation (that involves a total world population of not more than 2 billion) and that will never happen until it crashes out of all control and we end up with 6 billion or more dead in horrifying ways. It could be modeled on a computer however. I'd love to see the results of a thing like that.
You can lead 'em to knowledge, but you can't make 'em think.
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#8
The infinite growth model of economics, in this finite globe, is laughably retarded...yet these mental midgets manage to get Nobel prizes for their brilliant contribution to our extinction.

Herman Daly was an exception. Although virtually unknown as a serious economist, he outlined a plan for a steady-state economy in the 70's.
One of his brilliant ideas was for a global currency, based on units of in-coming solar radiation.
We have no shortage of really smart and decent people.

What the collective "we" are suffering from, imho, is the rise of the sociopathic brain disorder.

I think that this "time out" we're having could lead to something better. It could be a catalyst of sorts.
Greed could become an out-dated concept.
Un-likely, of course.

But i'm compelled to offer some optimistic thought.
We're on the cusp of a grand awakening.

Or something truly hideous.

Ironically, the truly hideous is much easier to imagine. We've seen the movies.
The role of imagination in what exists, is often over-looked...or even seen as "woo".
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#9
(04-23-2020, 03:54 PM)stanky Wrote:  The infinite growth model of economics, in this finite globe, is laughably retarded...yet these mental midgets manage to get Nobel prizes for their brilliant contribution to our extinction.

Milton Friedman never heard the old proverb about not being able to eat money.

Economics is going to have a field day for the next 20 years or so as the fallout of the great money-print of 2020 reverberates down the ages.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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#10
Well, what a timely coincidence - neatly proving Stanky right about both parties in USA - Senate voted 96 - 0 in favour of unrestricted money grabbing by large corporates: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-bailout-federal-reserve_n_5ea1cdd3c5b699019ff2e489
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