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Some Train Stuff
The 'Walking under a Bus' option was never funny to me,  I used to work where we got the first phoned in report from the accidents sites and the reactions of some of the hard old Station Masters was enough to make anyone think twice about inflicting that scene on anyone. 


We palled up with the driver of the tourist train from Cairns up to Kuranda, Dad being a railway man and I'd just started out working for them too.   (I got to ride in the cabin with him,  do that ride if you're ever in Cairns.)
We stayed in touch over the years. He stayed with us in Sydney when he was down that way. 
 His conversation always eventually turned to the people he'd killed in trains.  He'd retired early in England and emigrated down here and swore off trains but couldn't resist the gig in Cairns so he was back at it.  

He thought there'd be no one chucking themselves under his wheels in 'paradise'.  He was wrong.  He clocked up 2 in his first year back on the job.  But that wasn't even close to the score in London.

The Sydney score was pretty horrendous too  at least a few per week, mostly in the underground but out in the 'burbs too.

We had a lot of drivers spending 'rehab' time manning the phones (it was the main railway comms office) while they decided if they wanted to go back on the roster or move to something else.  The reactions were almost always the same although some 'cracked hardy' about it and appeared to shrug it off as shit happens. They hated that they'd hit somebody even though they knew there was no avoiding it.

But for all the drivers' stories I think the worst example of why you'd never do that if you thought about it was a phone conversation with a young station hand.
They'd talk to us 'girls' as we were anonymous voices to them, and this kid was in tears.  He was dictating the accident report and then he said "the old bastard handed me a bucket and told me to get along the track and pick up any bits."

Can you imagine the impact on a 16 year old kid carrying a bucket and picking up bits of body off the tracks??

I don't suppose that would still happen, and was gobsmacked that it did then, but apparently the ambos just picked up the main remains and left the rest to be hosed off!   The kid was sent to find what had been dragged on by the wheels or bounced under the platform overhang.

The 'old bastard' Station Master didn't want any future passengers spotting odd teeth and fingers from the platform as that would generate complaints and paperwork. faarrrk.

Back in the 70s/80s the majority of suicides in the Sydney underground were young migrant women.  Some took a kid with them and mostly the kid survived, miraculously.

Many of them were pregnant.  It was pretty plain they weren't coping well with that 'assimilation' thing while being cut off from their relatives.  It was a lonely life for many, particularly for the Moslem and Indian women who were expected to stay at home.  That was fine in their home villages surrounded by people they knew, but not in a strange country where they had to travel to shops, and also had to avoid contact with men and all that cultural ratbaggery that controlled their lives.

Over time the numbers fell as more came and new support groups built up, but it was a tough decade for many of them.

Sorry...rambling. Blush
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Just in, faarrrrrk, you never know who you're standing near do you?

https://nypost.com/2020/11/19/video-shows-homeless-man-shoving-woman-onto-nyc-subway-tracks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=717620
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(11-19-2020, 03:27 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Can you imagine the impact on a 16 year old kid carrying a bucket and picking up bits of body off the tracks??

Thank fuck that could never happen now, but it sounds about right for the time.

(11-19-2020, 04:24 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Just in, faarrrrrk, you never know who you're standing near do you?

https://nypost.com/2020/11/19/video-shows-homeless-man-shoving-woman-onto-nyc-subway-tracks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=717620

Holy shit!

That's all her lifetime's luck used up in one go.
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Humans have a long history of cruel and unusual behavior.
We love to focus on the individual, note-worthy examples of sickness...which gets us around addressing the larger, more acceptable versions.

It's rather stunning how we Americano's view our ignoble history. Not just the old, obvious stuff, like native genocide and slavery..but today!
What this empire has done today!

We American's love to focus on our sacrifices, in the name of freedom. In Vietnam, we lost 50,000 brave heroes; mostly poor losers that got drafted, but we don't much consider the 2 million (plus) people we killed in that pointless non-war. Nor how we trashed one of the most fabulous eco-systems on earth. That sickness; that defense of Capitalism, goes back to the Korean War. We bombed North Korea into the stone-age. Serious over-kill. We didn't even win that war. But the slaughter was extraordinary. Really, over the top.

We learned nothing beyond weapon sales equals freedom and righteousness.
We did it again in Iraq. Sure, we lost some guys. Not drafted this time, which is really creepy. Like we had guys that thought it was a good idea.
Again, the suffering we laid on Iraq pales in comparison to our lost heroes.

We dropped nukes on Japan. Killed a few 100,000 civilians in mere moments. Seems harsh to me.

Rest assured, nothing has changed. Our righteousness as Americans, with the greatest military machine in history...well, our grace is marching on. We are more than happy to starve people to death, and poison their wells, if it keeps the world safe from socialism.

Biden and his team, btw, are totally on-board with the program.

America won't get over ourselves, I suspect, until we are brought to our knees.
We've made so many enemies, with our vicious program of "enduring freedom".
Most Americans are completely clueless regarding our actual history.
It's not taught; it's never mentioned in major media...

But there are real consequences to our actions.
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(11-20-2020, 02:01 PM)stanky Wrote:  But there are real consequences to our actions.

I used that exact phrase in the same context yesterday.

Amazing how many people don't realise it.
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I'm an old fuck that reads.
I guess that's become unusual.
To site actual history these days comes off as conspiracy theory.
Yet, the un-classified facts are there to read.
All the gory details.

It's much easier to simply praise our heroes, and the high goal of freedom.
The U.S. has spread a shit-ton of freedom, over the years.
We have a bold history of influencing elections in other nations. Including assassinations of democratically elected leaders.
Fortunately, we lack any collective memory of these sins against humanity.
Unfortunately, they tend to remember what we did.
And what we're still doing.

The Trump coup agenda is way out there...but half of America is on-board with it.

Sad thing is, team Biden is also down with the sick program.
(He's busy picking his fascist cabinet.)

I may need to do a separate post regarding this. Liberals will hate me for it.
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Quote:Stanky wrote: extract..

That sickness; that defense of Capitalism, goes back to the Korean War. We bombed North Korea into the stone-age. Serious over-kill. We didn't even win that war. But the slaughter was extraordinary. Really, over the top.

If you're confining "that sickness" as causes for wars to the USA alone then technically calling defence for Capitalism is a pass.
But wars are and have been fought since we could pick up rocks and the one thing they seem to have in common is that they are fought for power over rivals.

The ideology, system, or "ism" is a secondary issue to the winning of power.  Invasion is to gain more of it and defence is to keep what has already been won.

The tendency to treat wars as some kind of ideological competition trivialises, and actually helps to conceal the real motivations behind them.

The USA hasn't been any 'sicker' than Rome was or Mao was or Pol Pot or Genghis or even Jesus if you count up the millions who died fighting over his texts of love and peace.

War is a human thing, humans like power, only the weapons and propaganda and 'cover stories' change.

Don't just kick the US system,  understand where it lies on the scale of historical warfare for power and it's not the worst,  or the best, it's just a more quickly successful powerful country than most, and still a little unskilled in the diplomacy of defending power in other ways than just blowing stuff up. 

Take a look at how China's doing it,  they're playing America off a break without firing a shot.   There is your "defense of Capitalism' in action.  They're using your system to buy and blackmail the world while ruling at home under Communism. 
Which system sickness are they defending??

They're waging a 'cleaner' war wearing a two system face, but to my mind the upshot of them winning will be just as devastating, and harder if not impossible to survive with any kind of self determination at all. 

What kind of 'sick' system do people want?  The jungle of Capitalism or the pens of Communism?

Oh, never mind.  The people won't get to run or benefit from either, they just get to choose whose jungle or pen they want to live in.

I bags the jungle.

(11-20-2020, 07:05 PM)stanky Wrote:  I'm an old fuck that reads.
I guess that's become unusual.
To site actual history these days comes off as conspiracy theory.
Yet, the un-classified facts are there to read.
All the gory details.

It's much easier to simply praise our heroes, and the high goal of freedom.
The U.S. has spread a shit-ton of freedom, over the years.
We have a bold history of influencing elections in other nations. Including assassinations of democratically elected leaders.
Fortunately, we lack any collective memory of these sins against humanity.
Unfortunately, they tend to remember what we did.
And what we're still doing.

The Trump coup agenda is way out there...but half of America is on-board with it.

Sad thing is, team Biden is also down with the sick program.
(He's busy picking his fascist cabinet.)

I may need to do a separate post regarding this. Liberals will hate me for it.

Go for it, they already hate me I could do with  the company. Big Grin




"Unfortunately, they tend to remember what we did."

Ooooh yeah!  They remember down the generations! 

We just signed a new defence treaty with Japan and it's highly likely that the first thought that crossed the mind of everyone over the age of 50 was "fucking Jap bastards".  

But we'll smile at their tourists, and allow their military if they still have any to train here because these days it seems they're our 'best mates'.  But what they did will never be forgotten at least until my generation dies out.

What our SAS troops "allegedly" did in Afgho won't be either I'm guessing.  You heard about the war crimes issues down here?  We have our very own "military culture" killing for kicks squad it seems.  

Still has to go before the courts but the brass are looking pale so I'm guessing it's not going to end well.
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(11-20-2020, 10:34 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Take a look at how China's doing it,  they're playing America off a break without firing a shot.   There is your "defense of Capitalism' in action.  They're using your system to buy and blackmail the world while ruling at home under Communism. 

I'm not blaming you, because everyone does it, but China is no more Communist than Australia.

They're a capitalist oligarchy, just like Russia, except Russia pretends to have elections.

If you doubt me, here's a handy description of what Communism is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Alternatively, you can read Marx & Engels' The Communist Manifesto.

The central thesis to Communism is that only the state owns assets and the proof that that idea doesn't exist in China is Jack Ma.

(11-20-2020, 10:34 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  What our SAS troops "allegedly" did in Afgho won't be either I'm guessing.  You heard about the war crimes issues down here?  We have our very own "military culture" killing for kicks squad it seems.  

Still has to go before the courts but the brass are looking pale so I'm guessing it's not going to end well.

I'm on record as saying it will be brownwashed. Too far gone for a whitewash, but will end up like the Pommy cases have - "We sent them there, war is horrible", PTSD, diminished responsibility, 3 years in a cushy prison for manslaughter.

But hey, at least they won't decorate or promote them, as USA does.
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China's on the way back to Empire and closer to feudalism than communism in some ways but they still use the powers bestowed by Mao to herd the sheep so technically... mmm.

But back to trains, the latest on the ratbag who pushed the woman off the platform in NYC.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/21/authorities-said-suspected-subway-shover-would-become-nyc-menace/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=718818

Yet another tragedy stemming from the reversal of onus making the perpetrator the 'victim'.

Not train related but a similar mindset that the attacker's mental state is taken as mitigation, while the resultant mental state of the victim is ignored (the nurse is still off work and a nervous wreck, but hey, she doesn't matter right?)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-18/footballer-sentenced-over-melbourne-laneway-woman-attack-cctv/12894560

Mental illness is getting more attention than ever, but the wrong kind it seems.
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(11-21-2020, 05:43 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-18/footballer-sentenced-over-melbourne-laneway-woman-attack-cctv/12894560

Also included in article: The attack was interrupted by Adrian Woodgate, an off-duty New Zealand detective, who was in Melbourne on holiday with his wife and children.
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