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EBT Spending
#1
I was at the range a few weeks back and watched a transaction go down that really surprised me. I didn't know enough about Welfare or TANF (temporary assistance for needy families) so I researched it. Recipients receive a card identical to a debit card , with federal laws restricting use in liquor stores, strip clubs, and casinos.

47 states allow someone to buy a gun with your welfare dollars.

Some allow tobacco and lottery tickets as well. Here's a quick breakdown of what some states restrict, or in most cases, don't.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/ebt-electronic-benefit-transfer-card-restrictions-for-public-assistance.aspx
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#2
Got the list?

Bread, milk, nappies, gun. Let's go shopping!

That is pretty messed up.

Wait! If I buy a gun with my welfare dollars, I kin hunt mah dinner. Good huntin at the 7-11, I hear ....
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#3
Gobsmacked about covers it. Our dolos just get the cash no restrictions that I know of. The 'gambling establishments' would go broke without 'em.
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#4
Same here, and boy is this a discussion I've had a few times.

Beneficiaries get their benefit and it's theirs to do what they choose. Seems reasonable.

35 years ago, I worked in a bank in Porirua, which is the poorest part of Wellington. Benefits were paid weekly on a Monday night to bank accounts. The beneficiaries would arrive in taxis, which would wait for their payment. We always had a queue of them waiting to get in when the doors opened at 9 am.

Every now and then, some problem would exist and payments would be late or lost, and fuck me, that was the cue for a shouting match. It was never our fault, but we were the people telling them to fuck off, so they used to get pretty anti at the poor pricks on the front line. I just used to watch out in case things got too heated. The most amusing part was that the subject in discussion was never their benefit, but "my pay".

To these people, it was their pay - something they'd earned.

Anyway, the benefit for a family was say $330 in those days, so they'd come in and draw out $300 in cash immediately. Off to the shops, take groceries home, pay rent, come back to town, pay taxi and hit the pub.

By early afternoon they'd start coming back in to draw out the remaining $22 or whatever was left. Walking by now, having loaded the taxi-drivers' wallets, they'd take that last $20 and head back to the pub.

Late in the week, when the food ran out, they'd head for foodbanks and charities. Almost every single one of those people smoked cigarettes and drank booze. I'm guessing quite a few also bet on pokies or horses.

All paid for by the humble taxpayer.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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#5
aaaannd they are the primary reason I developed a slight list to starboard at the ballot box.
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#6
Perfectly understandable, but there is one downside to that plan.

The poor prick who works 58 hours a week to keep his family warm & fed, stuck on low wages because he's not quite as smart as the white fella in a suit. There are a fuck of a lot of those types around, and if the right-wing parties have ever done anything for low-earners, I'd love to know when it happened.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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#7
Can't speak for NZ but no 'ism' or 'ite' Party ever does anything for those fellas here anyway.  They fall through the cracks, as do we self funded retirees.  Too poor for the Libs to listen to, and too 'rich' for  Labor.  

I've come to the honest conclusion lately that I don't so much vote for Parties as against other Parties.
I'ts a kind of spite thing I think.
I long ago gave up the notion that any of them really give a stuff about representing any particular sector of society.  They do the numbers and pick which ones will swallow which bullshit and pretend to represent them accordingly.

When you hear a politician say, bare faced, that they "toyed with joining the Lib/Labor/Callathumpian Party but decided that they'd have a better chance of winning a seat with" ..  the one they opted for..  you know you are looking at someone who is focused on a career, not someone ideology driven to 'represent' anybody but him/herself.

.. and there have been an astounding number of them stupid enough to let that cat out of the bag!

So good luck with Joe low wage earner getting any attention from any of 'em.
 
What have the 'socialist/lefty/PC' type pollies ever done for Joe??   All our lefties did was give more and more to the ones who 'deserved' less and bloody less, and tell Joe that he'd be doing even worse if those evil Lib bastards got in.

Labor got tossed out on their arses because they forgot about his needs and lied to Joe, and this Lib mob will suffer the same fate.

Too much focus on conning the maximum range of demographics is what forms the problems in policy making now.  They're trying to fool too many people that they give a shit and we're not all thick as planks.

The only defense we have is to vote with our pockets and you'll never convince me that ex Union bosses who are trying desperately to give the Joe the impression that his wellbeing is paramount is ever going to do anything for those like me who have put enough away to live on without sucking off the big public money tit.  Labor uses self funded retirees as examples of 'rich non-workers' to engender envy in the dolo demographic.  They give the dolos the impression that we have their money!  The 'sense of entitlement' ideology is close to the sole policy of today's Labor Party.

They have to tell Joe that we the bastards because we have a buck in the bank, but never fear Joe, the wunnaful Labor Party will drain those bastards and give their money to you.   .... as bloody if!  Who they'll give it to is the bogan arsehole who is a 3rd generation dolo because Labor knows they're the ones who'll vote for them regardless of policies.

There are other reasons too but voting 'right' doesn't mean we support the other extreme of arsehole either.  Mega multis don't need our support, as I said we just back what's in our best interest from a range of very bad options.

I used to vote Labor, back when they represented working people, not bludging people.  Back when they knew the value of a hard earned dollar and didn't indulge in creative accounting to pay for all the free candy they hand out to bribe voters.
Labor had most of the honourable politicians I can think of, 50+ years ago.  Not now, I owe them no loyalty now.

Sorry, politics is bubbling nicely here at present, and I'm getting back into 'arguing' it, even on forums who haven't a clue or care what I'm talking about apparently. [Image: happy-053.gif]
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#8
(02-03-2015, 03:44 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  There are other reasons too but voting 'right' doesn't mean we support the other extreme of arsehole either.  Mega multis don't need our support, as I said we just back what's in our best interest from a range of  very bad options.

I used to vote Labor, back when they represented working people, not bludging people.  Back when they knew the value of a hard earned dollar and didn't indulge in creative accounting to pay for all the free candy they hand out to bribe voters.
Labor had most of the honourable politicians I can think of, 50+ years ago.  Not now, I owe them no loyalty now.

Sorry, politics is bubbling nicely here at present, and I'm getting back into 'arguing' it, even on forums who haven't a clue or care what I'm talking about apparently. [Image: happy-053.gif]

One thing I love about Aussie politics is how sane it makes our mob look.

We're spoiled over here by a succession of Labour Governments that did make a difference, so there's always hope they might do it again. Thankfully, the union power in NZ Labour has been a non-issue for years, although the current leader is an ex-union bloke. The important thing is, he was a paid executive rather than an elected noddy, so I have some hope he won't be a cunt.

You're largely right though, that no side gives a shit beyond how long they can keep their snouts in the trough.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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#9
You have it a bit easier over there, and I'll grudgingly admit, have made the most of that.  You don't have the multi layers of snouts we OZ voters contend with.  At least I'm unaware of them.

By the time we get shot in the ears from local Council level tossers, followed by a salvo from the State grunters we're about ready for the count by the time the Feds fire high calibre bullshit shells at us.

We're  admonished that we shouldn't judge State gubbmints by the lunacy shown at Federal level while at the same time are exposed to exactly the same 'ideology' spiel and spin from the same Party at state level that we're told not to judge them by when the Feds say it.  Confused yet??  

Hell, even the pollies lose track of which way the bullshit is spinning on the day sometimes and emerge from doorstop photo op/interviews covered in it.  
That's partly why the kerfuffle now.  Abbott has brainfarts and doesn't tell his 'crew' so while he's announcing one thing they're parroting the party line on what it was yesterday.
It's not only Libs that do that.  One of my all time favourite delights of political quotes was from the Oppo, Bill Shorten.

Back when Gillard had the wheel she had 'em tap dancing too with quick swerves of policy, and Bill was asked his opinion of something Gillard had done or said and he assumed what he presumes is a thoughtful, but really comes across as the roo in the spotlight, expression, his signature pose for the cameras,  and said ...

"I don't know what she said but whatever it was I approve...(paraphrased)"
Jeeezuz! ... he's Labor Leader now.  ... and you wonder why I don't vote for them??

Edited to include this clip I found, you gotta see this. Play the vid.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2012/apr/27/australian-minister-video

But, on the bright side it's nice to have such moronic political flies to pull the wings off without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt about it.  [Image: lol-029.png]

The only ones better than the garden variety bewildered are the ones leaning on god when they are caught in strip joints.  Yes, politics in OZ is bigger'n Soccer, we prefer blood sports. [Image: happy-053.gif]
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#10
Sorry we've hijacked this thread Foxy, but have to post this as an example of how much we enjoy our politics down here.

FWIW Gillard was the previous PM hounded mercilessly (although legitimately) by the present lamentable PM Abbott.  He took pride in forcing her Party to oust her ... what goes round, comes round.

Shiner, don't miss clicking the links to other 'articles' halfway down the page, gutbusters.

http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/02/04/julia-gillard-rushed-hospital-after-overdosing-schadenfreude
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