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#1
This is exactly the kind of shit Di talks about when she rabbits about dishonesty by the green sector, and it's when I agree with her 100%.

An article appeared the other day with the terrifying news that US methane emissions had been vastly under-reported.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190606183254.htm

The article screams about how many gigagrams of methane released.

Gigagrams! Sounds really scary, doesn't it? We're used to hearing about gigabytes, gigatonnes of explosive in nuclear bombs and it signifies a Big Scary Number.

Except a gigagram is a measly 1000 tonnes.

It sounds like fuck all when you talk about 20,000 tonnes - that's only a fifth of the heaviest trains, or a very small ship.

You can't use numbers that sounds small, and when the methane being discussed is 1/500th of the CO2 emission, you need to make it sound much more important.

It is plainly dishonest and designed to mislead, because the only two things I've heard or seen gigagrams used for is methane or CFCs. Ships, trains, coal, steel - anything you like - is measured in tonnes or thousands of tonnes.

Wankers.
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#2
Since you've mentioned the fluid terminology of the envirowarrior sector ... and in the methane discussion in particular ...

The latest flap is their attempt to turn everyone into a herbivore by chanting the methane mantra and implying that only cows fart.

If we go out and shoot every bovine creature immediately then the climate will stop changing.  ...does the CO2 consensus agree with this??  Are they happy to have this rival gas taking the attention from carbon emissions?

 See, the Holy Vegan branch of the Enviroevangelists  tell us that we have to stop the climate raising the thermometer by  a couple of degrees because it is "obviously" sending many species to extinction. 
All other species than those domesticated and edible,  have evolved into such vulnerable little cuties that they will all fall over and kark on a hot day.    

...and apparently none of those other species that the vegans  (and associated Bambis) are suddenly frantically trying to save,  fart at all!     None of them!  No methane from Bambi or Koalas or Polar bears or god forbid a Panda! 
Just cattle.  Dodgy
Isn't that just the most amazing piece of news to contemplate??   Did you know that only cattle fart??

....well, there is one other species that does, but that one too should all be exterminated to save the planet. Humans.

Greens first!!  I'll shoot a cow for every bloody mindfucked Greenie/animal activist/rabid vegan who blows their own brains out to save the planet!

fair enough?
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#3
I'm programmed to protest the above posts.
Because i haven't thought about my protest, i'll use the number system:

1. Journalism is nearly dead. What's left of it is prone to hyperbole, on all sides.
2. Sometimes, legitimate errors are made. Occasionally,these can lead to retractions.
3. Methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, It's also much less dense.
4. Any exaggerations regarding methane releases are more than compensated for by the under-reporting of the vast methane belches taking place in the thawing arctic tundra. I'll try to provide a link to this dire news.
5. Good news for cow farts: There's a fungal additive for cow-feed that eliminates the methane farts. Again, i'll try to provide a link. In the next post.
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(06-07-2019, 04:25 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  If we go out and shoot every bovine creature immediately then the climate will stop changing.  ...does the CO2 consensus agree with this??

Nope, and I don't believe anyone's ever said killing all the cows would solve AGW.

Not even Greenmunists are that dumb.

(06-07-2019, 04:25 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:   See, the Holy Vegan branch of the Enviroevangelists  tell us that we have to stop the climate raising the thermometer by  a couple of degrees because it is "obviously" sending many species to extinction. 

Naughty girl misrepresenting the facts there.

Nobody's saying a couple of degrees would destroy the ecosystem.

The problem is, we can't make it stop at a comfortable 2 degrees.
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#5
I just thought of an excellent counter conspiracy:

The evil fossil fuel corporate empire releases a bunch of flawed greenish disaster porn; perhaps with a touch of subtlety, for the purpose of calling the larger science into question.

That's what i would do. If i was them.


Fuck...


Maybe i am them? And i forgot? Because of drugs and brainwashing?

And my own sciency leftist sensibilities are merely a cheap tool of the mutant Nazi zombies?


Hell, now that i think about it, I'm not sure why i even hate mutant Nazi zombies.

Maybe that's the way to go?

(CIA gave me too much acid; caused me to become slow at judgement. Plus, i wasn't breast fed.)

If i was an evil genius, i would have made tons of money putting secret ingredients into baby formula, back in the 40's and 50's.
Alas, i was a mere baby in the 40's.

As i recall, i was mostly sleeping and pissing and shitting all over the place. And I cried a lot.
Shameful. I knew early on that I'd never be a John Wayne or even a Clint Eastwood.

You don't see them crying.

Or shitting all over themselves.





sigh
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#6
Off topic alert!

As i was typing the above post, and now, there is a roar of tree frogs going on. I've never seen this many inside the man cave.
They are crawling all over the walls. They are very loud, for such little beasties.

I wish i could share. But there's some rule that says i can't.

(never even got a pic of the bambi in my lap...or the shit on my pants.)
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(06-07-2019, 07:25 PM)stanky Wrote:  I just thought of an excellent counter conspiracy:

The evil fossil fuel corporate empire releases a bunch of flawed greenish disaster porn; perhaps with a touch of subtlety, for the purpose of calling the larger science into question.

That's what i would do. If i was them.


Fuck...


Maybe i am them? And i forgot? Because of drugs and brainwashing?

And my own sciency leftist sensibilities are merely a cheap tool of the mutant Nazi zombies?


Hell, now that i think about it, I'm not sure why i even hate mutant Nazi zombies.

Maybe that's the way to go?

(CIA gave me too much acid; caused me to become slow at judgement. Plus, i wasn't breast fed.)

If i was an evil genius, i would have made tons of money putting secret ingredients into baby formula, back in the 40's and 50's.
Alas, i was a mere baby in the 40's.

As i recall, i was mostly sleeping and pissing and shitting all over the place. And I cried a lot.
Shameful. I knew early on that I'd never be a John Wayne or even a Clint Eastwood.

You don't see them crying.

Or shitting all over themselves.





sigh

Another possible explanation would be extremely alien intelligence manipulating our politics to ensure worldwide temps continue to increase to a level they'll find more accommodating, then... invasion.


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(06-07-2019, 07:31 PM)stanky Wrote:  Off topic alert!

As i was typing the above post, and now, there is a roar of tree frogs going on. I've never seen this many inside the man cave.
They are crawling all over the walls. They are very loud, for such little beasties.

I wish i could share. But there's some rule that says i can't.

(never even got a pic of the bambi in my lap...or the shit on my pants.)

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#9
Oh crap.

One of them is clinging to my arm as i write.

Why did they have top be so damn cute?



(Never mind....i think i understand.)



But i don't have to be happy about it.
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#10
(06-07-2019, 05:14 PM)The Atheist Wrote:  
(06-07-2019, 04:25 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  If we go out and shoot every bovine creature immediately then the climate will stop changing.  ...does the CO2 consensus agree with this??

Nope, and I don't believe anyone's ever said killing all the cows would solve AGW.

Not even Greenmunists are that dumb.

Ours are!!  There is a blend of animal rights activists, vegan air heads and Greens that are saying just that.
I'll post links when I find some, mostly it's been said in 'street stop' type interviews among their loony protestors.

Nobody thinks that TA?  Not even that venerable body of the IPCC ???   They appear to be linking livestock with greenhouse gases so it's a hardly a long stretch is it?


(06-07-2019, 04:25 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:   See, the Holy Vegan branch of the Enviroevangelists  tell us that we have to stop the climate raising the thermometer by  a couple of degrees because it is "obviously" sending many species to extinction. 

Naughty girl misrepresenting the facts there.

Oh c'mon!  Don't you get that kind of bullshit over there??  It's been flashing headliners here about the thousands of species about to go extinct due to climate change and our nasty carnivorous diet choices.



Quote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-28/hamad-meat-the-hidden-culprit-of-climate-change/5414894

Earlier this month, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released its latest report, "Mitigation of Climate Change", citing fossil fuels as the biggest source of emissions, with coal, oil, and natural gas the major culprits.

However, the panel also implicates animal agriculture, noting that "changes in diet and reductions of losses in the food supply chain, have a signif​icant, but uncertain, potential to reduce GHG emissions from food production."


Seventy per cent of agricultural emissions come directly from livestock - and about 37 per cent of total worldwide methane emissions - and it is clear that moving away from animal products is not just potentially significant but downright necessary.


The IPCC findings come hot on the heels of another study, "The importance of reduced meat and dairy consumption for meeting stringent climate change targets", published in the April edition of Climate Change.




Nobody's saying a couple of degrees would destroy the ecosystem.



The problem is, we can't make it stop at a comfortable 2 degrees. 

That is the point, we can't STOP it where it best suits our lifestyle regardless of how much money changes hands or how many people get rich selling carbon credits,  or how many scientists produce flawed modelling predictions and consensus to pretend that 'somebody' holds the power to do just that. 

I get that reducing the shit that manufacturing produces is a great idea, but the methane from cattle?? 

When they figure out how to stop those mentioned methane bubbles from the tundra, and convince volcanoes to stop burping it up then we can look at the cattle.

That article comes from the Greenie/vegan sector at the ABC.  It's the kind of hysterical stuff they pump out at the taxpayers funding expense.  The inner city hipsters who are going to save the planet by forcing real people to nibble tofu with their double wanker coffee concoctions which presumably don't include any form of cream in them?   Do they know where cream comes from d'ya think?

There's plenty of links that skirt around the premise of animal methane being a major contributor.
BUT
What about all those millions of animals that they want to see thriving in the wild??  Do none of those animals other than cattle fart?  

It's a stupid argument, but said by stupid people.  It is being said though.  And the figures indicate that veganism is flourishing more in Oz than anywhere else.  

Not the majority though TC,  they're not quite stupid enough to jump over that enviro hysteria cliff just yet.
The antifarters didn't get a grip on government.  hallelujah.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=link+between+cattle+and+climate+change
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