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Social Media IQ explained!
#1
This is gold!!

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1121556655307743232

Read the comments, they're crackers.

... meanwhile I'm going out for a coffee and a ciggy and good hard ponder about how embarrassing that is to those of us who don't even own a mobile phone.  Blush Blush Blush
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#2
Why are you surprised about a chimpanzee up to speed behavior-wise with the average air traveler? 
Ask not what is the problem but, rather, where is the lesion.
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#3
(04-25-2019, 06:22 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  This is gold!!

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1121556655307743232

Read the comments, they're crackers.

... meanwhile I'm going out for a coffee and a ciggy and good hard ponder about how embarrassing that is to those of us who don't even own a mobile phone.  Blush Blush Blush

No need to be too embarrassed - that was the whole reason Jobs designed tablets that way. He wanted them to be so instinctive to use they didn't need instruction and he p[roved the point by letting a 2 year old loose with it.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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#4
What's truly remarkable about chimps is that recent video has recorded some sharpening sticks to use as spears for hunting.
There's another famous video of an orangutan basically spear fishing from the bank of a river.
There's no telling how long this type of primate behavior has been occurring...though it has only recently been revealed to us, at large.

Are we devolving? Driving a car is pretty easy. Chimps can be taught to do it. Yet, they can't start a fire. Nor can we, for the most part, without the use of devices; devices we are (mostly) unable to create.
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#5
We may be inadvertently turbo-charging their evolutionary thinking.
"Monkey see monkey do"

Some inventions were probably inspired by making a mental connection between something seen and the curiosity factor in trying to emulate it. I remember many years back, when the Attenborough wildlife docos were first becoming popular, being amazed to see a certain group of chimps which looked for certain plants with long bendy twigs and breaking them off and using them as probes to dig grubs out of trees. The Koori used the exact same method to harvest witchety grubs, and presumably other people were doing it too. Did the chimps think it up for themselves or were they copying behaviour a distant ancestor had seen a human doing?

Why was only one group using the twigs? Are they all doing it by now? Other learned behaviours have been noted in monkeys and primates in proximity to humans, do they watch and make the connection between the actions and the results and try it until they get it right? A new trick is passed on to others who see it done, the young are taught how it's done, the knowledge spreads and maybe it strikes a spark in the mind of another chimp later that an improvement could be made. ... isn't that pretty much how we got to be rocket scientists? It took us a long time to figure or how to sharpen a stick and harden it in a fire, but not very long at all progress from horsepower to saturn rockets.
The more we know the quicker we learn? Maybe that's happening in the primates? They're learning faster?

Makes you wonder who invented what, maybe a human saw a chimp using a twig to dig out grubs and 'invented' tools.? Let's not jump to conclusions.

The first serious steps in aerodynamics sprang from someone who watched how birds wings worked according to a vaguely remembered school lesson.
The leap to shape and angle and air pressure and wind and such came with trial and error but it all added to the general knowledge. No birds, no planes.

How do the remote villagers fish in Borneo and places where Orangutans dwell? Up until very recently with a spear on the river bank. How many humans were the inventors? How many generations would have seen lightning start fires before one wondered how hard it would be to strike a spark and start a fire at will? They didn't all think of it at once.
It only takes one to teach the others.

I think it's Macaques who learned to wash their food in the sea because one of them did it to wash the sand off his food. Now they teach their young to do it even when it isn't necessary because they've become used to the taste of the salt from the sea water on their food. The original reason for washing it isn't the probable reason they do it now.

How many times have we seen something clever and wonder how nobody ever thought of that before? How many Orangs have watched people fishing with spears before it occurred to one that maybe it could do that too???

I saw an Orangutan playing bloody video games! Researchers set up a simple crude set of Orang sized buttons and rigged the picture to be projected onto the wall of its lodgings and it played, and enjoyed the vid games. But it didn't invent the game. It just learned how to push the buttons.

I can believe that the average early homo sapiens certainly, and perhaps even earlier versions could have been taught to drive a car or do much as we do had it been schooled as we are. Not one of us is born with the knowledge of how the world operates. We'd be just as 'stupid' as any cave man, or chimp, without our technology or knowledge that it even exists.

We need to get over ourselves and forget the crap we were told about being superior to animals in the thinking stakes. I reckon the sheer number of people in churches brings that assumption into question.
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#6
That was nice. Food for thought, as we say. Nothing defined.
I think i saw, in what you wrote, some agreement with a line by me, elsewhere and recently here:
That it only takes ten people, initially.

And suddenly, we're all doing this thing we do. Swiping screens; pushing ephemeral buttons.
We have rockets, but we aren't rocket scientists. Only a few are...and they ain't necessarily brain surgeons.

My hunch is that we're only missing a few ideas to venture on.
I don't have the ideas myself. I'm an idiot and a buffoon.

I only have ideas about ideas. Can't seem to prevent the thinky thing in my sponge-like brain....or the urge to stuff more in it, almost constantly.
It's the science stuff that interests me most, but i'm fairly addicted to the cheap thrill of the pornography of politics.

It was very cool to be away from it for ten days.
I wish i had the discipline to cut it lose entirely.
There's a whole eco-system outside this door that would like me to study it.
When i force myself away from this lazy option, it's always enchanting.

Every time I take a walk here, i learn something.

The main thing i learn is that i don't know anything. Not much, anyway.
There's plants, right outside my door, that I can't even name.


Ms Wundrin...

I thank you for philosopharting with me.
Mary thanks you even more.

She barely wants to hear my relentless ideas, much less my neurotic compulsion to express them.
It's fun for a year or two.
Women have fallen in love with it.

But eventually, they'd rather you just scrub the toilet on occasion.
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#7
(04-26-2019, 09:44 AM)stanky Wrote:  That was nice. Food for thought, as we say. Nothing defined.
I think i saw, in what you wrote, some agreement with a line by me, elsewhere and recently here:
That it only takes ten people, initially.

And suddenly, we're all doing this thing we do. Swiping screens; pushing ephemeral buttons.
We have rockets, but we aren't rocket scientists. Only a few are...and they ain't necessarily brain surgeons.

Ah, but there's a caveat on that.  

They, we, us, species,  only adopt and copy new behaviours when they are seen to be beneficial improvements over what else is available.  
They copy physical actions which result in material improvements. 

Innovations are judged by the standards of the "what's in it for me?" immutable law of physics and human nature.

Persuading them to copy a philosophical viewpoint is another thing entirely.
Those 10 can spread the idea, but if that idea is seen as risky, a threat to the current status quo, or just an unnecessary complication then it will be heard, but not passed on.

The "way and the light of egalitarian warm and fuzziness" may be beneficial to the deltas in the pack, the losers, but it's the alphas who are copied and followed.  So the deltas' message is heard but not heeded.


My hunch is that we're only missing a few ideas to venture on.

Those ideas have to be blatantly obviously beneficial to the majority, and long term sustainably beneficial, to have any impact long term.

I don't have the ideas myself. I'm an idiot and a buffoon.

Don't sell yourself short.  Nobody has those ideas because there aren't any that will appeal to enough of a majority to 'fix' the system.  There will be enough to form a faction pro and a faction anti and a faction that doesn't give a shit either way and the only change the idea will produce will be a shitfight over whether it's "right or wrong" for which "side."

we call those flawed ideas  politics I believe.


I only have ideas about ideas. Can't seem to prevent the thinky thing in my sponge-like brain....or the urge to stuff more in it, almost constantly.
It's the science stuff that interests me most, but i'm fairly addicted to the cheap thrill of the pornography of politics.


Have you any idea how hard it is for me to realise that for all the years of sorting out my head trash on the opposite side of the planet,  I've ended up indulging in the same mindy hobby games as a1960s   hippy greeny lefty bleeding heart American bambi with a history of psychadelic tripping who lives in a holler in Kaintuck?

How the fuck did that happen?? Confused

Can't put that down to nurture can we?? 
Must be a corresponding patch of pattern in the circuitry to explain that shared interest.  Dodgy  but Heart  anyway.


It was very cool to be away from it for ten days.
I wish i had the discipline to cut it lose entirely.
There's a whole eco-system outside this door that would like me to study it.
When i force myself away from this lazy option, it's always enchanting.

Every time I take a walk here, i learn something.

The main thing i learn is that i don't know anything. Not much, anyway.
There's plants, right outside my door, that I can't even name.


Ms Wundrin...

I thank you for philosopharting with me.
Mary thanks you even more.

I bet she does!!  [Image: yellow-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif]   .. tell her she's welcome.

She barely wants to hear my relentless ideas, much less my neurotic compulsion to express them.
It's fun for a year or two.
Women have fallen in love with it.

But eventually, they'd rather you just scrub the toilet on occasion.

Cuz's wife feels the same sometimes, she's not into the stuff that fascinates us either.
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#8
We are an odd couple, Di.

Here's a shocking revelation i just suffered:

Other than Mary, I probably communicate more with you than any other female I know.

And not to diss you or the others here, but being away from it for ten days really drove home the point of the addictive nature of social media.
I have a social life here, sad as that sounds.

Strange in my case, as I don't do facebook; have never texted or tweeted or Instagramed or even used a smart phone...nor do I write on any other forums.
This place is the sum total of my social media.

Plus reading and listening to all manner of other shit on-line.
It's so easy. The chair is comfy; the physical effort, minimal.

I'm aware that it's probably not a healthy choice.

Sometimes I strain to remember what I did before we got wi-fi.
Mary feels it too, and she doesn't write anything on line.
She indulges too much news in the morning, and at night, tends to zone out with old b&w movies; free on youtube.

(she's nuts for Old Betty Davis stuff and the like.)

The normal work required of us to maintain around here has become more of a nuisance that interferes with this new enabler of lethargy.

I'm not lazy with words or concepts, but the act itself is lazy as fuck.

I've gained 15 pounds since we got hi-speed internet.
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#9
(04-26-2019, 07:08 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  
(04-26-2019, 09:44 AM)stanky Wrote:  That was nice. Food for thought, as we say. Nothing defined.
I think i saw, in what you wrote, some agreement with a line by me, elsewhere and recently here:
That it only takes ten people, initially.

And suddenly, we're all doing this thing we do. Swiping screens; pushing ephemeral buttons.
We have rockets, but we aren't rocket scientists. Only a few are...and they ain't necessarily brain surgeons.

Ah, but there's a caveat on that.  

They, we, us, species,  only adopt and copy new behaviours when they are seen to be beneficial improvements over what else is available.  
They copy physical actions which result in material improvements. 

Innovations are judged by the standards of the "what's in it for me?" immutable law of physics and human nature.

Persuading them to copy a philosophical viewpoint is another thing entirely.
Those 10 can spread the idea, but if that idea is seen as risky, a threat to the current status quo, or just an unnecessary complication then it will be heard, but not passed on.

The "way and the light of egalitarian warm and fuzziness" may be beneficial to the deltas in the pack, the losers, but it's the alphas who are copied and followed.  So the deltas' message is heard but not heeded.


My hunch is that we're only missing a few ideas to venture on.

Those ideas have to be blatantly obviously beneficial to the majority, and long term sustainably beneficial, to have any impact long term.

I don't have the ideas myself. I'm an idiot and a buffoon.

Don't sell yourself short.  Nobody has those ideas because there aren't any that will appeal to enough of a majority to 'fix' the system.  There will be enough to form a faction pro and a faction anti and a faction that doesn't give a shit either way and the only change the idea will produce will be a shitfight over whether it's "right or wrong" for which "side."

we call those flawed ideas  politics I believe.


I only have ideas about ideas. Can't seem to prevent the thinky thing in my sponge-like brain....or the urge to stuff more in it, almost constantly.
It's the science stuff that interests me most, but i'm fairly addicted to the cheap thrill of the pornography of politics.


Have you any idea how hard it is for me to realise that for all the years of sorting out my head trash on the opposite side of the planet,  I've ended up indulging in the same mindy hobby games as a1960s   hippy greeny lefty bleeding heart American bambi with a history of psychadelic tripping who lives in a holler in Kaintuck?

How the fuck did that happen?? Confused

Can't put that down to nurture can we?? 
Must be a corresponding patch of pattern in the circuitry to explain that shared interest.  Dodgy  but Heart  anyway.


It was very cool to be away from it for ten days.
I wish i had the discipline to cut it lose entirely.
There's a whole eco-system outside this door that would like me to study it.
When i force myself away from this lazy option, it's always enchanting.

Every time I take a walk here, i learn something.

The main thing i learn is that i don't know anything. Not much, anyway.
There's plants, right outside my door, that I can't even name.


Ms Wundrin...

I thank you for philosopharting with me.
Mary thanks you even more.

I bet she does!!  [Image: yellow-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif]   .. tell her she's welcome.

She barely wants to hear my relentless ideas, much less my neurotic compulsion to express them.
It's fun for a year or two.
Women have fallen in love with it.

But eventually, they'd rather you just scrub the toilet on occasion.

Cuz's wife feels the same sometimes, she's not into the stuff that fascinates us either.

You might be missing part of my point, regarding the 10 people metaphor. You've wrapped in some morality issues with it.
That's not how it works. When ideas take off, they almost never are judged by "what's in it for me" or the alpha vs beta debate.

We happily latch onto new ideas that have no benefit whatsoever to ourselves...and in fact, are often straight up detrimental to our self-interests. Horrible new ideas are as likely as good ones to be adopted, and quickly, by the masses. It's a fickle phenomena; almost luck of the draw. Or worse, the power of advertisement and propaganda. I have trouble equating any of our various fads of culture to anything related to conscious choices regarding one's benefit, much less sustainability. We more or less do what we're told to do and spend accordingly.

Which is why i feel there's a chance that some really good idea could emerge, almost randomly, and actually be one that does benefit, and is sustainable, at least for a while. 

There's a growing awareness of how fucked we are, that i think has huge commercial potential. Kids will begin to hassle their parents into not being total schlubbs regarding environmental issues and social justice stuff.

If you're up for a good natured debate, using the example of the relatively new disposable drinking water bottle, which has been massively successful for the corporations involved, and pretty much a rip-off for the consumers, whom blindly go along (and or decide) to go for that new idea. That ten people probably came up with.

I'm certain that there are similar ideas, of the exact opposite nature, that could really take off.

The kids will eventually demand it. And go for it like the Beatles.

The underlying theme of the cynic is that nothing can change. This is just how it is.
When, in fact, everything changes...more and more at lightning speed.

This isn't even the same world i grew up in.
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#10
Meh,  I'm not so much cynical about change, just cynical about who and what drives the changes.



Quote:There's a growing awareness of how fucked we are, that i think has huge commercial potential. Kids will begin to hassle their parents into not being total schlubbs regarding environmental issues and social justice stuff.




 A growing awareness that's been growing since roughly 3,000BC?

What generation of kids didn't think their parents weren't as smart as they were?

Didn't you read Socrates or one of those old Greeks having a whinge about the younger generation being disrespectful an disobedient?

Hppies didn't invent the notion nor has the present climate obsessed Twitterverse.
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