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Pocahontas?
#1
Jesus Christ, get this woman on the Dem ticket for 2020 right now: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations

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#2
You bet.

I was a bit dissapointed in her when she wouldn't endorse Bernie; instead playing it safe with Hillary.
She seems tougher now. The reality of Trump has likely given her more balls.

Depending on her V.P. pick, I'd probably vote for her.
Though I've lost all confidence in the democratic party.

We really need a viable 3rd party.
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#3
You'all may find it hard to believe but those oldies and I on the Aussie forum have been trying to nut out a way to do exactly what she proposes. We're about 50/50 Left and Right but are old pals so don't fight.

It's a different world to the USA's obsession with the great divide between 'them and us' we pick the faults in our own Parties as much as with the other. It's also very different government systems but the problems are similar, and so may the solution.?

We do though have a common ground somewhat along the lines of what Warren proposes ... that capitalism is superior to communism and needs to be preserved, but that there needs to be lines drawn between capitalism taking it all, and the rest taking it all through the welfare mentality that seems to be growing and suffocating peoples' ambitions to do as much as they can for themselves. We all have the inkling that there must be a way to even things out a little but that absolute equality is not the best goal to aim at.


None of us have the brains to figure out how to do that but perhaps, just maybe, Pocahontas does?
I'll post that link, thanks TA, to give us something to occupy ourselves with. It 'seems legit' to me.

BUT .. what are the odds that the Democratic wing of the power brokers would any more let her get endorsed than they would Bernie?

Be careful what you wish for Stanky when it comes to that 3rd Party idea. Make sure it's not the friggin' Greens!
We did the 3rd Party thing, The Australian Democrats, but the 2 biggies, and their own corrupted principles ate them eventually and now we have a few maverick ones which are essentially useless to anyone except as 'spoilers'.

The Greens have done nothing for this country at all except to get just enough votes to be a pain in the arse by opposing every infrastructure proposal on the grounds of environment when what they're really about is imposing communism.

Their blackmailing power balance tactics have hobbled the country to the point where while we have uranium, coal, and natural gas enough to supply the world we can't use it ourselves!
We have all the fuel yet are running on the verge of an energy crisis and the threat of blackouts and paying the highest electricity bills in the world! All because the Greens vetoed nuclear power, then coal power, and now they're working on stopping us using gas to power the generators. They want us to sit chanting Tiptoe through the Tulips under a windmill while manufacturing is all moving to Asia and the people are getting poorer.
We are sitting on a gold mine buying gold from other countries.

Don't, whatever you do, ever let the Greens gain any power.
This isn't about vandalising the environment, that's not their real agenda at all!
This is about stopping the most insidious bloody Party ever formed from dragging down a nation's ability to support itself!

They didn't even have to ever win government to do that. They just sold their "support" to whoever would pay their price.
Even Greenpeace bloody hate them!

...rant over. the coffee didn't help.
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#4
I'm not worried about the greens here.
They mostly don't exist.
But i am concerned about the blatant disregard for science and the dwindling health of the eco-systems that provide life for us.

It's likely too late to fix.
But there is nothing about our present twisted capitalism that seems worthy of endorsing and expanding.

Somehow, we've become convinced that we need all this stuff; that it leads to happiness...

But it isn't true.

This toxic spewage with its partner in violence and exploitation, isn't really making people feel content and secure.
We really need to try a new angle on the program.

I've been reading a recent book about sand.
The stats in it are somewhat mind boggling.
We're running out of sand...while pretty much destroying our eco-systems.
The other book I'm reading is called "Debt".

What a concept!
It's been around for a long, long time.
We use to have periodic Jubilees...forgiveness of debt; necessary to reboot crumbling systems.
We've pretty much abandoned that idea.

We're in deep doo-doo.

Something rather radical is likely needed at this point...even if it too is doomed to failure.
It seems certain to me, that the present course is leaving the rails.

Part of the reason is simply the ever growing population.
And the ever growing consumption of the population.

It's amazingly different than when I was a kid.
There's 3 times the humans.
For starters.

We need a moment of reckoning.
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#5
See?  there is even a common ground between an aging American vegetarian hippie and a carnivorous conservative voting old Aussie chick.  

It's out there, we just have to find a way to set it up.  

There's a golden region between the extremes that leaves room for everyone to comfortably find their naturally chosen place in it.  

Maybe Lizzie Warren might do as the hitching post to form that new, 'centrist' Party around?  

Is there anyone still standing over there who can talk to the 'other side' without being armed?  

Enough sensible, uncompromised people to discuss forming a  'coalition' between the more tepidly inclined politically   disenchanted Demo and Repo voters who could negotiate that common ground and form some basically inclusive policies that would appeal to the non extremist factions from both 'sides'??  

Call it the Democrican Party or the Republocrats or something.  But beware something too nationalistic.  That just triggers the wrong responses.  It needs to preach common sense not jingoism.

Our Liberal/National coalition is probably closest to what would appeal to those middle ground Americans ... believe it or not!  

It's not too far Left, or Right to scare the horses.

Labor down here is too big a step I think,  America has never really had a Leftist Party, they still think Bernie is a socialist.  bwaahahaha.  
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#6
(08-16-2018, 03:13 PM)stanky Wrote:  You bet.

I was a bit dissapointed in her when she wouldn't endorse Bernie; instead playing it safe with Hillary.

Might've been playing the long game.

Fuck, I'd become a Yank to vote for her. Got a spare Green Card handy?

(08-16-2018, 05:48 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  We do though have a common ground somewhat along the lines of what Warren proposes ... that capitalism is superior to communism and needs to be preserved, but that there needs to be lines drawn between capitalism taking it all, and the rest taking it all through the welfare mentality that seems to be growing and suffocating peoples' ambitions to do as much as they can for themselves. We all have the inkling that there must be a way to even things out a little but that absolute equality is not the best goal to aim at.


None of us have the brains to figure out how to do that but perhaps, just maybe, Pocahontas does?  
I'll post that link, thanks TA, to give us something to occupy ourselves with.   It 'seems legit' to me.

Does to me too. I can't see any problems with it, outside of the fact that the shareholders will spend trillions to oppose it, if necessary.
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#7
Briefly she was my Senator.

Problem with this "them and us" politics we have in this country is that they forget we are on the same team.
I like it hot and sticky - Di Wundrin
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#8
and more so, we are inadvertently on team world.
Like it or not.

Nationalism is a spent concept.

How can we pretend to be the guiding light if we can't break the habit of exploitation and violence?

Hypocrisy is the hardest flavor to swallow...and people are gradually getting hip to it.

The change of heart required is a step too far for the sociopaths in control.
They aren't apt to allow something new. Even if they know it is essential.

It's like trying to convince a junkie to kick their habit.

They want to.

But they just can't do it.
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#9
Jezuz! We're not experiencing some of that common ground thinking here are we grasshoppers??
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#10
We aren't so different, snookums.

Doesn't much matter what we eat or who we pray to or don't pray to.

Are we essentially decent human beings?
Not ax-murderers or cannibals?
Vaguely educated?

Isn't that why we can tolerate (and even enjoy) each other?

I don't kick puppies.
I bet you don't either.
Or anyone here.

Even if they don't like dogs.

That's the crux of our bond in a nutshell.

(In a retard-friendly format.)
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