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Vale David Goodall
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The great man has left the building with the same dignity with which he occupied it.

Not famous, but a great man nonetheless.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-10/david-goodall-ends-life-in-a-powerful-statement-on-euthanasia/9742528

He refused to retire, continued to work at the Uni in a mentoring capacity, for nothing but the cost of giving him an office until he was 103! 

A little more about him here
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-05/david-goodall-trip-to-switzerland-for-voluntary-euthanasia/9716354

As always, the anti-euthanasia troops have mustered but this time they're not getting any traction.  good.

There was some surprise all round on the panel show discussing Prof Goodall's decision.
The token lesbian high profile doctor whose brother is an actor was roped in to give her opinion as though it is somehow superior to normal doctors' opinions ..  and she made it all about 'her'.

Or all about the stress on the doctors.  Fuck the people who want the exit option, only the ethics of the doctors counts.  
Her jaw dropped when the token religious member of the panel spoke up.

The Reverend Bill Crewes is pro euthanasia!   He pulled Doctor Phelps up short and pointed out that it's not about the doctors, its about the people who are suffering. 

Go Bill!!  ... Crewes has been giving (true) Christianity a good name for decades.  If they were all like him there'd be fewer noisy atheists.

It was a giggle to see the host of the show looking confused,  whoever put the panel together didn't check on their opinions first,  they weren't following the expected 'formula'.

Because Goodall has brought the euthanasia debate back into the spotlight, and because he's such a shining example that not only mental train wrecks decide to die, the usual suspects are changing tack.

Instead of trotting out the ethical hurdles and accusing every family of plotting to murder it's elderly members, they're now saying .... "but that was not euthanasia!  That was assisted suicide!"

Farrrr out!  Will we ever win this one?
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(05-11-2018, 04:06 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Farrrr out!  Will we ever win this one?

Agree entirely on your assessment of Goodall.

As to whether we will ever win, the clear answer is yes.

There are now enough people who will vote for legal euthanasia that it's inevitable, and within the next five yeas.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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Suicide is the one medical procedure we don't need to drag government into.
It's not that hard to do. Lot's of ways to do it. Don't need a doctor. Doesn't matter what the law says.
It is the only sacred territory left for humans.

You are allowed to end your life. people do it all the time, illegally.

That this is an issue at all feels obscene to me.
It's a sign of a complete caving in to the state in the only realm in which it needn't be done.

I must be missing something in this struggle...

Do we need a prescription for carbon monoxide?
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(05-11-2018, 08:58 PM)stanky Wrote:  Do we need a prescription for carbon monoxide?

Terrible way to do it, and leaves a nasty (and potentially lethal) mess for someone to clean up after. So much better to do it in a place designed to help people pull the plug and where they have plastic sheets.
Love is... that one person whose freshly-warm toilet seat you don't find disgusting.
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#5
One wonders, just what is the best way on the do it yourself list?
You can lead 'em to knowledge, but you can't make 'em think.
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(05-12-2018, 04:18 PM)sparks Wrote:  One wonders, just what is the best way on the do it yourself list?

I'm a big fan of helium, in the lack of proper drugs, which are hard to obtain here. A woman has just been fined $7500 for importing euthanasia drugs last week after a woman used them to end her life. The pigs tried to get her as an accessory to suicide, which could have copped her ten years or more in jail, so she probably feels she got off lightly.

Theoretically, using helium should be painless*. Not terribly straightforward, though. I recommend people do it before they can't do it for themselves, because our cops like to prosecute anyone helping and there have been a few people locked up for doing just that.

*Tricky one to test!
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(05-12-2018, 03:13 PM)The Atheist Wrote:  
(05-11-2018, 08:58 PM)stanky Wrote:  Do we need a prescription for carbon monoxide?

Terrible way to do it, and leaves a nasty (and potentially lethal) mess for someone to clean up after. So much better to do it in a place designed to help people pull the plug and where they have plastic sheets.

Yes, an old mate of Cuz's did that. His daughter found him when she went to check if his car was still in the garage to gauge whether he'd gone into town or was just working away from the house.
It did her no favours finding her father in the condition he was in after a couple of days in the heat.
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(05-12-2018, 07:25 PM)The Atheist Wrote:  
(05-12-2018, 04:18 PM)sparks Wrote:  One wonders, just what is the best way on the do it yourself list?

I'm a big fan of helium, in the lack of proper drugs, which are hard to obtain here. A woman has just been fined $7500 for importing euthanasia drugs last week after a woman used them to end her life. The pigs tried to get her as an accessory to suicide, which could have copped her ten years or more in jail, so she probably feels she got off lightly.

Theoretically, using helium should be painless*. Not terribly straightforward, though. I recommend people do it before they can't do it for themselves, because our cops like to prosecute anyone helping and there have been a few people locked up for doing just that.

*Tricky one to test!

Displacement of oxygen.  Hadn't thought of that one, outside of the usual mundane method of car exhaust plumbed back into the interior or just firing up the thing in a closed garage...

Same thing though.  You pass out, then you die.
You can lead 'em to knowledge, but you can't make 'em think.
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helium is getting precius
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(05-12-2018, 08:55 PM)sparks Wrote:  Displacement of oxygen.  Hadn't thought of that one, outside of the usual mundane method of car exhaust plumbed back into the interior or just firing up the thing in a closed garage...

Same thing though.  You pass out, then you die.

That's the point, yep, but without the carbon monoxide poisoning and potential harm to others. Also, if you're going to be organised enough to do it with helium, I think participants would be likely to think of the aesthetics and hygiene as well.

Bonus getting to talk like Donald Duck before you pass out!

(05-13-2018, 06:25 AM)stanky Wrote:  helium is getting precius

And expensive. I've considered laying a stock in, but to get enough to be worth holding is up in the tens of grand these days.
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