07-14-2017, 07:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-14-2017, 07:17 AM by Di Wundrin.)
I'm always looking for points to argue but I can't come at this one 'cos I haven't a clue what (fixing atmospheric nitrogen with electricity) even means. damn.
I do have another question for Sparky though. Where did the known universe come from?
Science doesn't know. They know that it seems to have appeared in a nano second blast of sudden existence. How they know I'll leave to them. I don't need to understand it really, I trust them to be telling us all that they know.
But none of them know where it came from. Or what it was before it existed in the form we observe it.
The only difference between Science and Creation is that science admits it doesn't know. Religion makes up a story and sells it as 'fact'.
But it was an unobservable event which cannot be tested, only theorised from the pattern of disturbance left behind as a trace.
Yet this event is accepted unconditionally by both science and religion because the result of it is ... everything.
But it had to explode from something else. What?
We 'know' that this universe was something else before it became what it is now. Had it been the same then it wouldn't have exploded from a singularity. No one knows what physics does in singularities.
They just know there are a few around. .. there again is something unobserved which is known to exist. No one can see a black hole.
Black holes don't exist? ... oh hang on, I remember now that the rider ... "If it's not observable, and I mean not at all," was used to cover the bases. But not too long ago nobody knew black holes existed, somebody wondered about anomalous activity that didn't make sense because 'there was nothing there', and made some stupid stab at a theory that there was something there that we couldn't see. ... how stupid was that?
So we 'know' there must be another unknown state of existence in which the universe existed before the big bang.
Is wondering just what kind of state that was, woo??? Seems kind of scientific to me. After all, the woo brigade already know that God did it.
Is wondering if some of the components of that different state are still extant, but unobservable because they exist in a different form which is outside the 'normal' rules of physics wrong or something?
"We are made of star stuff."
We are constructed of the same atoms as the rest of the universe and restricted by the same rules that govern everything else . Maybe we simply can't physically make contact with material that is not formed of "normal" universal matter.
The only way we can detect it is through our minds. We may 'see' that something is there, by it's gravity signature, or because 'something is missing', but it's so ephemeral, so not constructed to 'our' rules that we can never actually touch it, nor may never be able to devise the tools to test it.
Just because something seems weird doesn't make it woo, just makes it unknown.
You've been channeling Cuz! He said almost the same thing a few days ago.
Something about scientists being in a competition. The ones making hydrogen bombs are trying to kill us before the Medical scientists perfect a method of making us immortal.
I'd love to get you two in a room.
I do have another question for Sparky though. Where did the known universe come from?
Science doesn't know. They know that it seems to have appeared in a nano second blast of sudden existence. How they know I'll leave to them. I don't need to understand it really, I trust them to be telling us all that they know.
But none of them know where it came from. Or what it was before it existed in the form we observe it.
The only difference between Science and Creation is that science admits it doesn't know. Religion makes up a story and sells it as 'fact'.
But it was an unobservable event which cannot be tested, only theorised from the pattern of disturbance left behind as a trace.
Yet this event is accepted unconditionally by both science and religion because the result of it is ... everything.
But it had to explode from something else. What?
We 'know' that this universe was something else before it became what it is now. Had it been the same then it wouldn't have exploded from a singularity. No one knows what physics does in singularities.
They just know there are a few around. .. there again is something unobserved which is known to exist. No one can see a black hole.
Black holes don't exist? ... oh hang on, I remember now that the rider ... "If it's not observable, and I mean not at all," was used to cover the bases. But not too long ago nobody knew black holes existed, somebody wondered about anomalous activity that didn't make sense because 'there was nothing there', and made some stupid stab at a theory that there was something there that we couldn't see. ... how stupid was that?
So we 'know' there must be another unknown state of existence in which the universe existed before the big bang.
Is wondering just what kind of state that was, woo??? Seems kind of scientific to me. After all, the woo brigade already know that God did it.
Is wondering if some of the components of that different state are still extant, but unobservable because they exist in a different form which is outside the 'normal' rules of physics wrong or something?
"We are made of star stuff."
We are constructed of the same atoms as the rest of the universe and restricted by the same rules that govern everything else . Maybe we simply can't physically make contact with material that is not formed of "normal" universal matter.
The only way we can detect it is through our minds. We may 'see' that something is there, by it's gravity signature, or because 'something is missing', but it's so ephemeral, so not constructed to 'our' rules that we can never actually touch it, nor may never be able to devise the tools to test it.
Just because something seems weird doesn't make it woo, just makes it unknown.
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The state of the biosphere and the likely hood of human survival would be much better without the contributions of science.
You've been channeling Cuz! He said almost the same thing a few days ago.
Something about scientists being in a competition. The ones making hydrogen bombs are trying to kill us before the Medical scientists perfect a method of making us immortal.
I'd love to get you two in a room.
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