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News about the Pope, the Vatican, and Catholicism
#1
I figured we could use a thread devoted to news involving Frankie et al.



Pope Francis replaces critical theologian Gerhard Ludwig Müller

Quote:Pope Francis has decided to replace a conservative cardinal who openly questioned the pontiff's attempts to create a more inclusive church.


Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller will not have his five-year mandate as Catholicism's chief theologian renewed.

The German's departure will open the way for his "meek" second-in-command to take the role.

The 69-year-old was named as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith by Pope Benedict in 2012.

Pope Francis was elected the next year.
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#2
I really dislike this Pope Franky.

Sure, he's made a few mistakes along the way, but the way he's dealing with Trump, climate change and the paedophiles have to be admired.

Quite funny that the major christian churches seem to have grasped that forward-blokes are a good idea. Juston Welby, the head of the Anglican Church is similarly sensible.
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#3
Gratifying that Frank has cast George loose on the legal costs. Poor old Vatican can't afford it apparently, they've given all their money to the poor.

There's a fund set up for donations towards paying for Pell's legal defence.
If any would care to contribute just contact me and I'll see he gets your generous donations. You can trust me with it more than Pell anyway ... worth a try. [Image: anim_59.gif]
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#4
I'm back, temporarily from my recent self-suspension.

(Christ, recogiwhatever sucks at moderation skills. I'm forced to self-moderate at this forum. and I do resent the extra work-load that puts on me.)

To the subject matter:

(I'm allowed to go off on Catholicism, btw, as I grew up steeped in the Irish version.)

Here's my strong opinion:

We need to ignore this stuff.
Not the ass-raped choir-boys...the religion.

There is no reason on earth to refer to the Pope as "Your Holiness".
Yet, world leaders are relentlessly forced to do just that.

For me, there is nothing holy about it.
It needs to be cut off at the pass.
Refuse to recognize its power.

That guy isn't the go-between between me and the lord...the lord himself pointed that out in his lordy gospel speeches.

Religion is such a bitch.

Much as I personally hate it in all forms, I'd be cool with actual Christianity.
In fact, I've never met any atheist that wouldn't be cool with the essential philosophical advances proposed to be from a mythical or non-mythical philosopher (doesn't matter at all) named Jesus.

(He was for universal health care, btw.)

How fucked up is this funny bit about the phony christians in Kentucky, USA?

They recently became the first state that can legally teach Bible shit in public schools...where some of my tax bill goes.
We have the massive Noah's Ark amusement park...a boat that don't float, of course....which tax-payers partially funded...and now the hurdle has been cleared for public school field trips to this abomination...and it is an abomination unto every lord that has ever lorded anything over us...except the lord Mammon.

What wrankles my bambi-ass in particular about this shit storm of goddiness, is that it is all Old Testament crap.

It ain't the Jesusy part of the Bible.
It ain't never the new shit...the gospels of the new testament...

The new and extra fake Christian evangelicals are tooth for a tooth people.
They never got the Jesus memo. They don't turn cheeks.

They exploit those that do.

feckin' evil fuks, if ya ask me.

(Off topic, right?)

Point being, we should ignore this shit. We should ignore Trump.
Simply stop fertilizing and watering it.

That's how you kill garden pests.

You quit feeding them.
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#5
I've been quiet for a few days too, too cheesed off with absolutely everything to even bother writing about it .  Too much of it, sometimes you just have to let it go through to the keeper, or over the spillway.

You didn't miss much in exile.  

Quote: Much as I personally hate it in all forms, I'd be cool with actual Christianity.
In fact, I've never met any atheist that wouldn't be cool with the essential philosophical advances proposed to be from a mythical or non-mythical philosopher (doesn't matter at all) named Jesus.

I have no particular problem with the philosophies most religions are based on.  It's the marketing practices of those  selling the philosophies that burrs me up. 

There doesn't need to be characters in the plot, just a list  of dos and don'ts and logical reasons why those guidelines are a good idea is all that should be required.  A happy life resulting from following the dos and being shot resulting from indulging in the don'ts.   Seems simple enough to me.   No gods and demons and bullshit required.   The rules are there simply to allow humans to live as harmoniously as they ever get within a civilized society.   They have nothing whatever to do with dead people.  Dead ones give no one any problems and where they went when they died has no bearing whatever on reality. 

Why do people need religion??   Why can't they just read the rule book without all the stories and pictures??

... don't answer that, I'm depressed enough already this week.

I'm going out for a ciggy and some gardening in the sun, like oldies should.
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#6
My love?

I was hoping you'd be happy to see me again.

Don't force me to write something interesting.

Aw shucks....

OK .

I'll write something interesting.

(If you promise to respond.)

'lll give it one last try.

(If you will)
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#7
Hell yes, I was happy that you were back, but didn't like to make a fuss and embarrass you with fangirl stuff. Blush

Yes something interesting would be nice.   I was going to start one on the conumdrums of societal problems where the solution is the original cause but I had a "fuck it" moment and dumped it.

Might try it again when I get my Mojo back.
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#8
Paaaarty!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11886097
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#9
Quote:Critics blame the Pope's choice of personnel: cardinal George Pell, appointed to clean up the Vatican's murky finances, has taken a leave of absence to defend himself against sex abuse charges in Australia.

He sure has chosen some rippers.  Another cardinal, or high ranker has been mysteriously sacked a week or so ago too.

This is the write up in the Australian, I got through the paywall!!
Some is the same but a few more details of how Frank's plans are going titsup.
Oddly it's similar to what the Liberal Party is suffering under Abbott's leaking and white-anting, he's another friggin' Jesuit who wants to the lead the world into the glorious future of 1950!

.. more on him later.


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  • Philip Willan
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  • 12:00AM July 5, 2017
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Vatican police broke up a homosexual orgy last month in an apartment belonging to the Con­gregation for the Doctrine of the Faith — the department charged with, among other things, tackling clerical sexual abuse.
The occupant of the apartment is alleged to be the secretary of cardinal Francesco Coccopa­l­merio, head of the Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and a key adviser to the Pope.
Cardinal Coccopalmerio is said to have recommended his aide for promotion to bishop, but those plans are likely to be disrupted by news of the orgy and by a period spent recovering from a drug overdose in a Rome hospital and another in an Italian monastery.
The allegations about the orgy were published by the newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano.
The incident is symptomatic of a difficult period for the Pope. Four years into his papacy his reforms should be at full throttle; instead, the Catholic Church appears racked by conflict and scandal.
Critics blame the Pope’s choice of personnel: cardinal George Pell, appointed to clean up the Vatican’s murky finances, has taken a leave of absence to defend himself against sex abuse charges in Australia, and cardinal Gerhard Mueller, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has not had his tenure renewed.
Both men are seen as doctrinal conservatives who could have been an obstacle to the Pope’s ­efforts to introduce a more merciful approach on questions of marriage, divorce and communion.
Both had signed a letter, together with 11 other cardinals, complaining that progressive forces were attempting to manipulate the outcome of a controversial synod on the family.
The manner of their departure risks inflaming a minority of traditionalists deeply unhappy with the Pope’s reforms. Cardinal Muller’s successor, Archbishop Luis Ladaria Ferrer, is accused of covering up sex crimes committed by a priest in Italy, compounding the reputational damage.
Conservatives have also been uncomfortable with the Pope’s reluctance to intervene in the Charlie Gard case, seeing him as aligned with English courts and bishops wanting to spare a sick child from suffering, rather than determined to defend life at all costs. The terminally ill 10-month-old boy has a form of mitochondrial disease — a genetic condition that causes progressive muscle weakness and brain damage — and has been at the centre of a legal battle between his parents, who wanted him treated in the US, and specialists at the London hospital who said the treatment was experimental and would not help.
“Resistance to the Pope is growing,” said a Vatican source. “We have seen five troubling ­stories emerge in a matter of a few days. They have created turbulence. There’s not going to be a schism, but the Pope has lost credibility in the eyes of many.”
The source said many of Francis’s appointments were controversial; from the prelate chosen to liaise with the Vatican Bank who was found to have been involved in sex scandals, to Francesca Chaouqui, a laywoman chosen for a fin­ancial reform commission who leaked Vatican files to the press.
“The Pope has been appointing people who are good parish priests to run dioceses in Italy, but it takes something else to be a bishop and they don’t have the stature for it,” the source said. “Paradoxically, these setbacks are pushing the Pope to accelerate his reforms, while resistance increases. Many Catholics pretend he’s not there and (will) just wait until he’s gone.”
Prominent journalist Emiliano Fittipaldi is unconvinced by the Pope’s reform record. “There’s much more shade than light,” he said. “The propaganda about Francis bothers me. The world has been told about a revolution before it happened. He became an idol immediately.”
Vatican spokesman Greg Burke declined to comment.
The Times, Reuters

Why does no one ever mention Pope Benny??   Makes you wonder what the hell he's hiding from duzzen it??
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(07-04-2017, 10:56 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Why does no one ever mention Pope Benny??   Makes you wonder what the hell he's hiding from duzzen it??

Aside from being a Nazi, he was hugely involved in covering up abuse. Who knows, maybe he batted about when he was younger? Keeping a low profile would not begin to describe the only ever living* Emeritus Pontiff.

*I think.
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