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OZ politics and the ironic delights thereof.
(Yesterday, 08:00 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  The election result has just been called and the forces of darkness have been vanquished. 





You remember in 2016 how Trump couldn't win?? 
How the polls were saying the Repos would be wiped out?
The betting odds, the pundits, the gurus, the journalists, the TV presenters, and the print media all said Trump couldn't possibly win??

They said that about the Liberal/National Coalition here.  They were still saying it this morning!
It was a guaranteed Labor landslide!!

But WE WON it anyway!!!  

All hail Scomo, he may be a singing evangelical but he's one hell of a campaigner, and has done it without gaining enemies and has obviously won over a lot of supporters in the process.  That ain't easy.

And he didn't even play the god card! 
He's kept politics and religion separate and the  only one who dragged god into the electioneering was the idiot Labor leader trying to paint Scomo as a religious nutter.   Drongo. The ploy backfired on him big time and not because of the godbotherers, but because it was such a nasty stunt to pull that even the atheists were calling foul.

This was Labor's unlosable election.  And they lost it. 
Yet another country has had enough of the hollow bullshit the Left have descended to.  Thank Christ!   ... not to worry, Scomo is far closer to Centrist than hard Right.  
He's the leader the Party and the Country needs right now. 

His speech opened with the joke .."I've always believed in miracles" with a huge grin and it was said, and taken as a joke.  
It wouldn't have been in the US would it?

He's the most popular bloke in Oz right now and shows signs of having a smidgeon of what Bob  Hawke had.  The ability to connect with all sectors of society and to be comfortable doing it.

Labor campaigned on dividing society into rich and poor and even between the young and old and setting them against each other.  That is far from the Labor I remember, and far from the Hawke version.  Shorten is scum and has been washed out accordingly.

.  The LNP under Scomo did the opposite, he managed to reach across the divisions and got the votes in approval of that tactic ... and this is significant in regard to the US result ...  the votes he picked up came from the poorest sectors!  He picked up the votes from what would normally be natural Labor voters!    .. and for much the reason that Trump got them.  Pissed offedness, that the Labor policies weren't going to benefit them but would actually cost them more for power due to Labor's obsessively draconian climate policies..  And resentment at the arrogance that Labor was exhibiting in their certain winning position.  
Good old hubris brought out the spite voters here as it did there.  
They never learn do they?

..the snowflakes who drank the Labor/Greens kool ade are howling already, but considering that Abbott got thrown out in one the few seats lost (yeeeebloodyhaaa)  a lot more people are laughin' than cryin'. 

I'm going to get my heart broken again, all politicians have busted it eventually, but right now I just bloody love Scomo! Heart Heart Heart

Australia going to help us bomb Iran now?
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Nah Pres, been there done that in Iraq.
It will still happen of course, but it's not a political thing here as it is there. It would have happened no matter who was in government, it's just depends on how many we send. Uncle Sam gives their balls a tweak and they send a token force for the sake of the alliance. It's closer to a business decision than an ideological one.

The military and foreign policy, to my memory, never rated a mention as an election issue, we're about over that M.E. crap.

(Yesterday, 12:05 PM)The Atheist Wrote:  
(Yesterday, 08:00 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  The election result has just been called and the forces of darkness have been vanquished.
Disappointing result to lefties everywhere, but it does go to prove what we've been saying for a long time - Shorten is a born loser.
He will go down in history as the man who lost the unlosable.
Pathetic effort.

That is the opinion of a lot of Labor voters too. His whinging negativity just annoyed the hell out of them so it wasn't going to win over anyone not already rusted on.

But the main reason for the loss was a last minute outbreak of mass pragmatism. Aussie's suddenly found their bullshit detectors were still working and they stopped to do some sums about where the money for Bill's pork barrel policies was going to come from and realised that was going to be their pockets producing it, not the "big end of town" paying more tax. Aussies aren't quite as stupid as Bill took them to be.
Thank Christ for good old reliable pragmatic self interest kicking in when the pencils were in their hands in the voting booths. Phew.

It was an amazing result completely at odds with all the polls and all the pundits, except one. He's been a running joke for the last year for predicting exactly this result and for the exact reasons now being looked at.

Rowan Dean, SKY opinion merchant. Even Rupe's faves laughed at him, they predicted a big Labor win too!

I've recorded his show to watch at leisure later, I wanna see him doing those cartwheels. Hey the only one who got it right?? Legend. [Image: yellow-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif]

Then I'll watch the Lefty journos at the ABC open their wrists on national TV. There will be some worried salaries there! bwaahahaha.
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(Yesterday, 05:50 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  But the main reason for the loss was a last minute outbreak of mass pragmatism.  Aussie's suddenly found their bullshit detectors were still working and they stopped to do some sums about where the money for Bill's pork barrel policies was going to come from and realised that was going to be their pockets producing it, not the "big end of town" paying more tax.  Aussies aren't quite as stupid as Bill took them to be.  
Thank Christ for good old reliable pragmatic self interest kicking in when the pencils were in their hands in the voting booths.   Phew.  

We'll never know, but I still think Shorten was the problem. Voters are too stupid to even think about the tax angle - but they see Shorten's face, looking like his granny just got run over by a road train, and Morrison, who always looked delighted, even if his pants were on fire and roasting his nuts.

As America showed, voters ate shallow and more easily swayed by style than substance.
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(Yesterday, 11:28 PM)The Atheist Wrote:  
(Yesterday, 05:50 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  But the main reason for the loss was a last minute outbreak of mass pragmatism.  Aussie's suddenly found their bullshit detectors were still working and they stopped to do some sums about where the money for Bill's pork barrel policies was going to come from and realised that was going to be their pockets producing it, not the "big end of town" paying more tax.  Aussies aren't quite as stupid as Bill took them to be.  
Thank Christ for good old reliable pragmatic self interest kicking in when the pencils were in their hands in the voting booths.   Phew.  

We'll never know, but I still think Shorten was the problem. Voters are too stupid to even think about the tax angle - but they see Shorten's face, looking like his granny just got run over by a road train, and Morrison, who always looked delighted, even if his pants were on fire and roasting his nuts.

As America showed, voters ate shallow and more easily swayed by style than substance.


Bullshit! they didn't think about the tax angle??!!  It was of massive concern. Hip pocket nerve is a genetic marker across the entire Aussie population, and very prevalent in the Asian sector also!  Only those too stupid to make money don't understand the tax angle.

Yes of course on the surface it was anti-Shorten, he's always been poison.  He never once came even close in those "preferred PM" polls.  It didn't matter who found themselves in the PM chair they always polled better than Bill.   Charlie Manson would have polled better as "preferred".  

But there was more to it all than your usual cop out Lefty excuse that everybody but you, and those who agree with you, are automatically stupid.   How well did that attitude go for Clinton?

Shorten's policies were pure unfundable fantasies,  and his 'promises' were pure lying bullshit that he knew would never get past the Senate and that he had no intention of keeping even if they did.  

He is a 100% phony representing sectors of society that have no connection with their old base of working class people and in many instances are at odds with the best interests of that old base.  

They lost because the Aussies saw through them,  and rejected the bullshit.   We're really not ALL as stupid as the Lefties convince themselves we are.   'We' beat you.  bwaaahahaha.

There were many other smaller glitches that gave glimpses of hidden pitfalls in their policies that one or two at a time may have been shrugged off but the sheer number of things that simply didn't add up made people wary.
Labor didn't pass the pub test.  That doesn't make the blokes in the bar stupid, that makes Labor stupid.

Another huge influence that caused many to reach tipping point is becoming clearer as people emerge to say what PCness prevented them saying when they thought Labor would win.  

They are utterly pissed off about the activity that Get-up has been inflicting on the election process.
 
They've poured millions into attacking targeted Liberal candidates with filthy tactics, threatening behaviour, vandalism and violence. 
At the same time they are screaming about Clive Palmer spending millions on TV ads which attack the policies of Labor and Greens ... not the individuals, as Get-up has done, just the policies which is what TV ads are for!

It's okay for them to run a dirt and violence campaign on suburban streets, three or four of them knocking on doors telling suburbanites who they should vote for and scaring the kids.  But not okay for a Right wing candidate to pay for his own ads "negative" to their side?  

Clive isn't frightening anyone, Get-up is.  Someone either with them, or stirred up by them,  stabbed a bloke just handing out how to vote brochures for Abbott!   
If you don't find that a bit 'nazi' then maybe you'd better take another look at Get-up.

We' don't like that kind of crap.  'We' don't like it from Neo Nazis and 'we' don't like it from Neo Marxists.  

Fuck off with that stuff, that was never acceptable in election campaigns in Oz.  And because they were campaigning for  Labor and the Greens the voters everywhere but Warringah punished them by spite voting for the LNP just to push back against the "bullying." 

(Barnaby Joyce even thanked Get-up for their part in the coalition win.  "sucked in"  https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/may/18/sucked-in-with-a-sucker-punch-a-gleeful-barnaby-joyce-slams-getup-video  About the only noteworthy thing he's said for weeks.  Hopefully the idiot wont be heard from again. But he got that one right. Cool

Up-yours for Get-up.  

It didn't go against them in Warringah because the candidate opposing, and beating, Abbott was  a lefty stooge standing as Independent, but she avoided the back lash of the dirt campaign against Abbott which advantaged here because she wasn't 'officially' Labor.   ... it got complicated.

But over all of that lies the same reason that the Democrats lost.  The hubris of presuming that anyone not agreeing with them must be too stupid to resist them.

Wrong again.

... at least Scomo ain't Trump so we're about over it already.  The pundits will study their navels for a few weeks but the public are looking at the TV program to see what's on,  and thanking christ the political ads have stopped.  

Haven't seen any sign of protest marches or hugfests of crying snowflakes so Oz seems to have settled back into our normal way of teating politics as a game.  Get all excited over the grand final,  scream and yell and cry or celebrate for a few hours after it then forget it ever happened next day.   Until the next match.  

I reckon we do politics fairly well really.  Still fun.
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(Today, 12:43 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Bullshit!  they didn't think about the tax angle??!!  It was of massive concern.  Hip pocket nerve is a genetic marker across the entire Aussie population, and very prevalent in the Asian sector also!  Only those too stupid to make money don't understand the tax angle.

Except there are a lot more poor voters than rich ones. Opinion polling on how people felt about tax changes showed an advantage to Labor.

(Today, 12:43 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  But there was more to it all than your usual cop out Lefty excuse that everybody but you, and those who agree with you, are automatically stupid.

You've got it wrong - I'm not saying stupid people voted for Morrison, but there were so few people who even thought about tax changes that it made no difference. Maybe ignorant is a better term for it than stupid.  

(Today, 12:43 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  They lost because the Aussies saw through them,  and rejected the bullshit.   We're really not ALL as stupid as the Lefties convince themselves we are.   'We' beat you.  bwaaahahaha.

We can argue it till the cows come home, but I imagine nobody will ever know for sure, but I've never seen an election where such an immense difference in public perception of the leaders had the unpopular candidate winning. We had a good taste of that here last election, with an amazingly popular government defeated because their leader had the charisma of a soggy carrot.

(Today, 12:43 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  But over all of that lies the same reason that the Democrats lost.  The hubris of presuming that anyone not agreeing with them must be too stupid to resist them.

I don't believe a bar of that, either. Hillary lost for two reasons:

1 she was Bill's wife
2 she was a woman

(Today, 12:43 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  I reckon we do politics fairly well really.  Still fun.

That works if you like short-term thinking, which in your case, is fine.
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And the next article I see has this:


Quote:Veteran Liberal strategist Grahame Morris, one-time chief of staff to former prime minister John Howard, said any suggestion that policy had won the election was "loony tunes".

In the end, Morris said, "the power of the message-deliverer in this election was more powerful than the message".

Via SMH
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We've figured out ways to make the vote irrelevant.

It certainly doesn't reflect the will of the people.
It reflects the will of money and corruption, and the collusion of big media and the famous military industrial complex.
Add in the supreme court, which gave us Bush, and the insanity of the super delegates and the electoral college, with a sauce of hackable voting machines and perverse redistricting and gerrymandering, and a two-faced DNC, and the next thing you know, Trump.

And now, our fabulous system of checks and balances has been utterly usurped.

It's absurd to refer to the U.S. as a democracy anymore.

And nothing has changed since Trump.
If anything it's gotten much worse.

If it comes down to violent revolution, the fascists win. The cool folks tend to be non-violent.
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(Today, 12:43 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Wrong again.

Once you go even more broke you'll have no choice but to vote for him a second time.
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(7 hours ago)stanky Wrote:  And now, our fabulous system of checks and balances has been utterly usurped.

Yep, and here's a beautiful example of it: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bipartisanship-congress-screws-the-poor_n_5cdd69e1e4b09648227c18d3

(3 hours ago)President Bush Wrote:  Once you go even more broke you'll have no choice but to vote for him a second time.

I do have to note that Morrison is very much of the "We've got wealth in the ground, let's dig it up and sell and the climate can go fuck itself" party, so there's much less chance of going broke under his leadership.

When the last tree is cut down, the last fish eaten, and the last stream poisoned, they will realize that you cannot eat money.
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President Bush Wrote:  Once you go even more broke you'll have no choice but to vote for him a second time.

I do have to note that Morrison is very much of the "We've got wealth in the ground, let's dig it up and sell and the climate can go fuck itself" party, so there's much less chance of going broke under his leadership.

When the last tree is cut down, the last fish eaten, and the last stream poisoned, they will realize that you cannot eat money.


Oh spare me all that "when the last tree... " crap, it's as over the top as the Libs claiming everyone on welfare is a bludger.

We've got more trees and less pollution in our rivers than NZ does, so how does that enviro sainthood thing add up?

Oh, and places like Singapore eat money. They don't run enough agriculture to feed themselves so what are they eating?

.. our food.  

No one voted to trash the country!  We voted to stop the Labor Party trashing us!  

Their 'climate' policies were so outrageously bloated and scientifically ludicrous that they were 'jumping the shark.'  

Aussies on the whole are okay with a fair contribution to remedial action, but they're not okay with stupid grandstanding utter waste of their money thrown on the altar of Greenie wishful thinking and Labor pollie's agendas of buying themselves a ticket onto the UN bandwagon with taxpayers' money.

There were just too many links to Chinese renewable energy manufacturing companies vested interests to pass the pub test.  

The polls got it wrong because people lied to the pollsters.  We're like that.  We enjoy conning a conner.

Labor was conning us and making such a cock up of it that it was too obvious to ignore. 

The gullible are teary, but the LNP is no more bent on trashing the joint than any other Party.
Especially now.   ... they are NOT the Republican Party!

They know which side their bread is buttered on electorally, obviously, they won!
And now that Abbott's gone they can and will  tailor their policies to calm the climate alarmed, never fear, Scomo isn't the idiot that Abbott was. 

They had finally drawn up a very good compromise climate policy which addressed all aspects, and gained approval from a warring cabinet, a hostile Senate, and even grudgingly from the Labor Party (at least they couldn't find a way to oppose it.)
But that policy had to be withdrawn because Abbott and his puppets threatened to cross the floor to stop it!
He was the one giving the LNP the 'vandal' tag, Scomo's a lot smarter than that.

Abbott's gone, the only big name Lib to get thrown to the sharks by his own electorate,  yeayyy,  but the people who constructed the magic compromise energy/climate policy are still there, all re elected,  and hopefully that middle road, affordable and less economy damaging policy will get refloated and passed.  

Those 'stupid' Aussie voters picked him out of the herd to cull as the troublemaker, they got that one precisely right.

Give Scomo some time.  The Libs just 5 minutes ago won the clincher 76th seat to form a majority government!  wooohoo.

... and they have a chance of pulling in a couple more.   Astounding result.  ... and more astounding is the lack of wailing about it. Only the extremists on the Left are making stupid statements, but nobody is jumping off bridges or marching off cliffs over it. Labor people acknowledge that it was too big a change of course too fast and too far.

And judging from the comments of talkback callers those 'stupid' Liberal voters weren't all old, or wealthy, or even gasp climate deniers as claimed by sneering Labor rhetoric. 

Most have been tradies, and farmers, working wives, and shopkeepers and all have told the same reasons for voting LNP.   They don't trust Labor!  

Some mentioned the LNP tax breaks, some mentioned the Labor taxing of retirees having tipped them over to 'the dark side.'  

But most of them are scared shitless of the massive costs of Labor's intention to force the country into the impossible goal of 50% CO2 cut and hinting, via The Greens who Labor relies on for preferences, that it would possibly be increased to 100%..  they "promise" to cut coal mining and exports. (Our major source of foreign revenue!)

Their fringey's are demanding culling all cattle due to the methane farts (not kidding!) (Another major source of foreign income!)
Bill Shorten himself told us Labor expects that only electric cars will be permitted within 10 years and if you can't afford one tough titties.  

..how "Labor" is that attitude??   The bastards are dribbling maniacs!  It's amazing that anyone voted for them at all!

The clincher was when Bill either refused, or had no idea at all of how much the new climate policies would cost the Country and households in rising energy bills and associated rising consumer pricing.

He left it to the imagination of the voter and boy, that was the biggest mistake since Custer!  Their imaginations ran bloody riot!

His piss weak answer to "what will it cost"  was .. "it will cost us more to do nothing."   And he knows this how???

Tell me, honestly, who the fuck would vote for that dickhead to run their country??
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