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Cases going up exponentially again right around the world, except for the few countries with high vaccination rates, which includes USA, thanks to having a president who isn't a fucking moron.

Some countries that avoided the first wave are poised to really fucking badly with the Indian variant rampant - Indo, Thailand and most of Africa stand out as the next hotspots.

And therefore, the origin of the next strain.

At least the South Pacific is showing the way, with Niue reaching 97% of adults fully vaccinated, and along with Samoa, Tonga, and a few other islands, being the only places which haven't had a single case. NZ is showing some good leadership in our corner of the globe.

Fiji, on the other hand, is in terrible shape.
Is it?? I haven't heard anything about Fiji lately. We're like the US here, there's only one island in the entire Pacific Ocean.

There's nothing but Covid, and political bastardry connected with on our News now. I only found out about the riots in S.Africa from Al Jazeera on one of the rare occasions I was awake when it was on.

We're locked down again. Melb and Syd. Half the population of the entire bloody country herded into our stalls, our head stuffed into masks in towns hundreds of Kms from the nearest 'case'. The cops have gone feral so there's not much chance of any escapees from the cities getting this far. Pain in the arse, bloody masks fog my glasses up.

Countries with high vax rates are faring no better than those with low ones, death rate's a bit lower but it's still bowling them out for a week or three.

Time yet to suck it up, HTFU, and get our heads around the concept that everybody is going to die of something and coronary disease is still killing more people per annum than Corona virus is.

Are we ready to live with the risks or bleat in our pens?

I'm still a bit each way, I can't go too far anyway so duzzen madder to me, but there seems to be a ground swell of people who are over the "we are keeping you safe" line and want to take their chances back in the jungle.
(07-16-2021, 09:22 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]Is it??  I haven't heard anything about Fiji lately.  We're like the US here, there's only one island in the entire Pacific Ocean.

Aussie self-centred? No way!

Yeah, Fiji is fucked. They kept Covid out for all of 2020, but complacency crept in, as it has everywhere, and now they have over 1000 cases a day and rising. and they will be missing lots of cases. Up to a month ago they'd had a total of 4 deaths in the first 18 months of the pandemic, and in the past month they've had 70. And they are right at the start of their surge, so things are going to get a lot worse.

(07-16-2021, 09:22 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]We're locked down again. Melb and Syd.

And we've locked you out. I said it was a dumb idea from the start, letting Aussies back in, and boy, are we playing for that decision. Last year, we have no Covid, no influenza, and no RSV.

Aussies brought RSV with them and now our paediatric wards are full of kids with RSV. Auckland''s kid ICU is currently running at 30% over capacity.

But nurses aren't allowed a pay rise...

(07-16-2021, 09:22 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]Countries with high vax rates are faring no better than those with low ones, death rate's a bit lower but it's still bowling them out for a week or three.  

I'm going to unpack that a little, because every word of it is incorrect.

Countries with high vaccination rates are faring extremely well. Take Israel as a very good example: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Infections down by 90%, deaths down by 99%.

You're guilty of not looking at the evidence objectively. Places like UK still have very high numbers, because vaccination is still only at 53%, which leaves a population of 30,000,000 not having had the vaccine. That's conveniently the population of Malaysia, where they're reporting over 100 deaths a day, on 15,000 cases.

UK, on the other hand, is having 50,000 cases a day, the same as their peak, yet their death rate is down by 97%. The most vulnerable have been vaccinated first, and they're not dying of it. People who have had the vaccine are also very unlikely to have more than a very mild infection and not even bedridden.

The disease is knocking people over for a couple of weeks, because that's what it does, and when the vast majority of unvaccinated people are younger, they're not subject to dying with the likelihood of older people.

The other side of all those infections is that it allows the virus to mutate faster, which is bad. Long Covid - 5-10% of all cases - will also be impacting on those younger people, and that's also bad.

(07-16-2021, 09:22 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]Time yet to suck it up, HTFU, and get our heads around the concept that everybody is going to die of something and coronary disease is still killing more people per annum than Corona virus is.

Except that misses some vital facts, too. A lot of the people who die of heart attacks are 90 years old and as you say, everyone's going to die at some stage.

8 million people die annually from heart disease. And we spend trillions of dollars trying to stop that. How many bypass. stent, or angioplasty operations are done around the world annually, and at what cost? How many drugs are dispensed, and at what cost?

So far, at least ten million people have died of Covid, and that's in the face of incredible restrictions placed on people around the world. The death toll would be at least five times higher had those restrictions not happened.

So yes, while heart disease still kills more, Covid would dwarf it if we'd let it go. 

(07-16-2021, 09:22 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]Are we ready to live with the risks or bleat in our pens?

This is the ironic thing about the restrictions - people get sucked into thinking it's not that big a deal. Did you not see the overflowing ICUs in UK and USA?

Covid unchecked will crush any medical system in a matter of weeks, doubling or trebling the death toll. And who's going to staff the ICUs when the nurses are all sick with it?

(07-16-2021, 09:22 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still a bit each way,  I can't go too far anyway so duzzen madder to me, but there seems to be a ground swell of people who are over the "we are keeping you safe" line and want to take their chances back in the jungle.

Watch USA - there's a lot of that over there, and in a total shock to the system, those wanting to take their chances are overwhelmingly in Republican dominated states.

Case rates are up by 100% and deaths by 30% in the past month. Guess where the rises in both are by far highest?
Chris Hedges gives an honest assessment of Biden and the Dems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlk8c3_nIjk&ab_channel=andrewnef
The story I heard was that the Red states were about on par with the lockdown states, but then the only reports we bother to air here at the moment are on ...gasp... SKY.

As I said I'm not betting each way, or at all.  There's the fire or frypan feel about it that we're eventually fucked whatever we do.  Can't stay in a cocoon forever, can't get out of it unscatched.  

I've added politician to my list of occupations I wouldn't want to do for a million per week.  They're wedged and can't win whatever they do.  The "Health Experts" are being exposed as political puppets.  Their degrees are mostly in Political Science rather that Medical doctorates, and because of that people are getting even more distrusting of anything they're hearing.  Politicians take no responsibility for decisions and just shrug every move off onto "health advice".

Thing is we didn't vote for a few spin doctors who got a first aid certificate to pose as 'epidemiologists' to rule the joint.

Not going to argue the point, I have noticed, as you have, that attitude to coping with the virus seems to mirror political leanings and I'm pretty much puzzled by that.    

But I'm in a mellow patch and can't be bothered researching stuff for ammo at the moment.  
Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Confused
(07-16-2021, 05:50 PM)stanky Wrote: [ -> ]Chris Hedges gives an honest assessment of Biden and the Dems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlk8c3_nIjk&ab_channel=andrewnef

Ummm.  That sounds a bit like the assessment I've been giving them for years.  RolleyesCool

They've never been more than a dummy franchise of the same people the Repos work for.
Biden is every bit as bent as Trump, but he's worse because he's been using his position in public office longest!
Hedges opinion of Schumer Pelosi and McConnell echo mine, except I didn't study McConnell, already knew which pigeon hole he fitted.

Laughed when he mentioned that the Democrats policies would be seen as Right wing in Europe.
Told you that too,  they'd be considered downright Tory down here.

Sorry, but I just don't believe that America has been a democracy for a very, very long time.  Only the voters seem to have missed the change.

Did you post that as bait Stanky?  Or because he made some good points, or because you think they're all bad points?
Interested to hear your take on his speech to those empty chairs.
(07-16-2021, 05:50 PM)stanky Wrote: [ -> ]Chris Hedges gives an honest assessment of Biden and the Dems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlk8c3_nIjk&ab_channel=andrewnef

Opinions and assholes: Every body has one.
(07-17-2021, 05:10 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-16-2021, 05:50 PM)stanky Wrote: [ -> ]Chris Hedges gives an honest assessment of Biden and the Dems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlk8c3_nIjk&ab_channel=andrewnef

Ummm.  That sounds a bit like the assessment I've been giving them for years.  RolleyesCool

They've never been more than a dummy franchise of the same people the Repos work for.
Biden is every bit as bent as Trump, but he's worse because he's been using his position in public office longest!
Hedges opinion of Schumer Pelosi and McConnell echo mine, except I didn't study McConnell, already knew which pigeon hole he fitted.

Laughed when he mentioned that the Democrats policies would be seen as Right wing in Europe.
Told you that too,  they'd be considered downright Tory down here.

Sorry, but I just don't believe that America has been a democracy for a very, very long time.  Only the voters seem to have missed the change.

Did you post that as bait Stanky?  Or because he made some good points, or because you think they're all bad points?
Interested to hear your take on his speech to those empty chairs.

Honey-bunch, what have I done to cause you such preconceptions about me?
Sure, the bambi-pixie stuff is good fun, and I play along. But I'm not a vapid airhead.
I've been saying the same stuff as you, forever...regarding the hollowness of power and politics.
(Do you read anything I write?)
True, I come at it from a far left angle...as does Hedges and many other legit journalists that I admire.
But our two party oligarchy has been a farce from the start.

George Washington was the wealthiest man in America when he became our first president.
He owned hundreds of slaves; never freed any of them. Got his image on Mt. Rushmore and on our currency.
Our nation's capitol as well as a western state bear his name.
The bold experiment of democracy, government of the people; for the people; by the people...began as a system wherein only white male land owners could vote.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident" blah blah blah.
And those "truths" were a lie.
Very little has changed in the interim, regarding power and the intent behind it.

Sure, technically, darkies and women can vote these days...but it's a fairly meaningless gesture. It's a symbolic crumb, tossed to the unwashed, to prevent rebellion. Obama was such a crumb. Yes we can!
What a fucking crock of shit. But the underclass felt good about it. We are sophisticated (or cynical) enough to see through this shit.
Obama was a dream come true for the power brokers of the far right. Well played.
Obama did far more for the right-wing agenda than GWB could have hoped for.
Biden is a safe repository of that allegiance. Harris, our new VP, whom claims some darkity features, and also the first female VP, (Yeah us!) is an utter soul less fascist. But, hey! Why look at facts! Why spoil this feel good moment? Why would we examine a politician's record?
That could spoil the 'feel good' moment.

We (America) had a brief moment a while ago, wherein a true spokesperson for democracy could have easily become our president. By a landslide. We couldn't allow that. Hence, dear Hillary cheated and lied to prevent it. This was exposed in great detail by real journalism.
She committed real crimes in the effort..and, indeed, should have been locked up for it. But the msm knew where their bread was buttered.
Bernie had to go. He never had a chance. It's a wonder he wasn't assassinated. But that wasn't necessary. Instead, he was either ignored or insulted by our most left-leaning media sources...including NPR. I watched this unfold; stunned.
Hillary was declared queen apparent.
Yeah us! Glass ceiling, etc. We could have had a warmongering, multi-millionaire, corrupt as fuck democrat president, if only more people loved her.

Hence, Trump.
Posing as an out-sider; populist man of the people. Draining the swamp.
Mindless chumps who can't be bothered to do a lick of homework, elected an absolute psychopath as their hero.
Like her, he was a champion of the control of big money. Same shit, except for the sociopathic personality disorder...which he continues to demonstrate daily. Big media continues to play along; both sides. Same side,of course.

Except the part where Trump is truly dangerous. More so than the average pawn of real power brokers. He's too stupid and crazy for them; hence Biden and the radical left, communist agenda was given the lip service of the corptocracy.

It's a very dark joke. Our vote is bread and circus. It's a distraction, at best.
Even that small crumb is too much for the pure fascists.
They must struggle against even the illusion of the power of the people. Voter restrictions are necessary.

From my first day here, I have railed against this con.
I hate to see decent people wasting their time; energy, and money engaged in a hopeless struggle.
I've gone to pains to explain my lack of cynicism in this equation. I approach it like a scientist. There is plenty people can do, on a personal basis, to effect change. Political theater isn't one of them. That's a done deal.
People like Chris Hedges (or even me) can be misconstrued as being pawns of the far right agenda. (Dems and repubs)
We aren't, of course. We tend instead to call the bluff on the rigged system. And how that might be addressed.

I will end this epic rant with this:

Recently, a statue of Robert E. Lee was taken down from a public park in Virginia...a feel good moment for the left. Fine.
What is seldom mentioned about Lee is that he suggested that no monuments be erected for the confederacy. He would have condoned his statue being removed.

What is missed on the left, is that it is surely fair to remove all those heads from Mt. Rushmore.
(It would be more difficult; probably requiring explosives.)

There are heroes in our history. Those are the ones that have no monuments and have essentially been erased from history.
(Tom Paine comes to mind.)
How'd I do,love?
(07-17-2021, 04:53 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]The story I heard was that the Red states were about on par with the lockdown states, but then the only reports we bother to air here at the moment are on ...gasp... SKY.

I said yesterday it's possible Rupe is the worst human ever to draw breath (and for such a fucking long time!). Stalin, Hitler and Mao at least were doing it for power, not money.

Anyway, let's look at the two red & two blue states.

In the blue corner - California. New cases pealed at 50k/day in January, currently running at 4000 a day. Deaths peaked at 700/day, currently flatlined at 30/day.

In the red corner - Florida, with half the population of Ca. New cases peaked at 20k/day, now 8000. Death peak of 250/day, currently 30 and rising. Also worth noting, the current surge is happening so fast it isn't soon enough to impact death rates yet, so keep watching - a lot of old crazies in Florida.

Then we go blue - New York. Peak case load of 20k/day, now just under 1000. Peak deaths of 1000 a day, currently running at 7. That is one digit.

Red - Texas. 30k/day at peak, now 4000+. Deaths peaked at 500, currently 25. Texas has 50% higher population than NY.

And as cases increase, hospitals fill up, and it's no surprise this story is out today: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-surging-missouri-delta-variant-overwhelms-hospitals/story?id=78731312

Heavily Republican state. You'll see more of this.

(07-17-2021, 04:53 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]There's the fire or frypan feel about it that we're eventually fucked whatever we do.  Can't stay in a cocoon forever, can't get out of it unscatched.

That's what vaccine are for. Get population vaccinated, open up, non-vaccinated people get sick and die and nobody cares. Aside from the very few who can't medically be vaccinated, that seems fair to me.  

(07-17-2021, 04:53 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]The "Health Experts" are being exposed as political puppets.  Their degrees are mostly in Political Science rather that Medical doctorates, and because of that people are getting even more distrusting of anything they're hearing.  Politicians take no responsibility for decisions and just shrug every move off onto "health advice".

I'll take your word for what's going on in Aussie, but I can report with smugness and delight that in NZ we have a load of world class real scientists that the vast majority of people listen to. It's lucky for Cinderella that she does, too.

It's the one positive I can take from it - the overwhelming majority of Kiwis know who our scientists are and accept what they say.

(07-17-2021, 04:53 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]Not going to argue the point, I have noticed, as you have, that attitude to coping with the virus seems to mirror political leanings and I'm pretty much puzzled by that.

It was politicised by the right, and I don't just mean the orange retard - take a look around the world: Bolsonaro, Modi and Boris stand out as having completely fucked up by politicising it.

(07-17-2021, 05:10 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote: [ -> ]Did you post that as bait Stanky?  Or because he made some good points, or because you think they're all bad points?
Interested to hear your take on his speech to those empty chairs.

I'll give you my take on it: RT is a mouthpiece for Putin to troll the west, and particularly US, with.

Hedges, Chomsky, et al would do well to realise that making even valid criticism by aiding an avowed enemy isn't smart.
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